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Should the "classics" (yi jing, shu jing, shi jing, li ji) not all have a consistent title? At the moment we have: Shi Jing, Book of Rites, Book of History, and I Ching. That's two English, one pinyin, and one Wade-Giles. I don't understand the logic there. If no one objects, can we change them all
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What does 禮記 mean, then? Unfortunately, only an "original" title is explained, not the actual one. And even the original title is just mentioned in passing (we only hear that "the" title is dropped!)--why was is dropped, when was it dropped, by whom was it dropped, ...?
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Dai Rui-ming, Taiwan's former ambassador to the Holy See, also spoke at the seminar. He said he hopes that Beijing could re-erect in front of the UN Building the "Book of Rites" monument that the ROC donated to the world body as a founding member.
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It has been three days; I'm not sure where I'm allowed (or exactly how?) to change the titles of these articles. If someone is aware and could share that with me, and also let me know that it's OK to do so, I would appreciate that.
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This article discusses the supposed burning of the books and the burying of the ru as if it were undeniable fact. I think this ought to be edited to reflect the current understanding of Confucian textual transmission.
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translation, but it doesn't. He (1885:20) criticizes "Wylie's 'Book of Rites' and Callery's 'Memorial des Rites' always failed to give me a definite idea of the nature of our classic", suggests
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to "Book of..."? I suppose I Ching is simple: Book of Changes, but what about Shi Jing? Book of Odes, Songs, Poems? I prefer Odes. Is someone able to do this? --
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modern scholars believe that the original title, Lijing ("Classic of Rites"), was dropped so that jing ("classic") would be reserved for ...
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Wouldn't "Liji" or "Record of Rites" be a better title for this article? '"Classic of Rites'" doesn't translate
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is also not as appropriate, as it does not correspond at all to the original Chinese title,
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is not the most appropriate name for this book, however I think the current title
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article gives "Record of Rites" as a literal translation, but uses
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and the dates should not have extraneous ~Es added to them. —
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might be translated "Ceremonial Records" in parallel to
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