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adequate referencing, and is thus questionably reliable absent a second independent confirmatory source. In fact, the use of large components of Beck's language here closely approximates COPYVIO. Other tenuous sources are an architecture book - cited a half dozen times - and a travel book. Large sections of this article are uncited (it looks like several of the unreferenced sections are lifted closely from Beck), including some of the newest added content. Accordingly, the article is tagged as {{Refimprove|date=August 2015}}. (By the way, Beck is not a politically neutral person, although I don't think that comes through in the work too much. The political ambitions do not in any way diminish the acknowledged readabilty of the remarkably prodigious output. But when a politician gives us a readable but uncited narrative we have a responsibility to put up our antennas. I'd just like to see second independent confirmatory sources for what Beck alone is carrying here.) Do you happen to have any other (good) sources for all these assertions, or is this article going to mainly be based on Beck?
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Socialist and Communists developed, as well as Islamist organizations emerged in Jakarta as well as other areas. Elites and students from the city's schools were active in the independence movement"? I don't feel I have a good enough grasp of the subject matter to adequately summarize and I don't want to synthesize too much, but I think some summarizing would be useful. On the other hand some of the specifics and names can be interesting also especially as Knowledge (XXG) allows Wikilinking for readers wanting to know more about a particular individual or aspect (although I notice many are coming up as redlinks..) . My intention was really just to give a generalized sense of developments and Jakarta's role. I don't really want to get too much into the alphabet soup of acronyms and groups names (especially as there are at least two and sometimes three languages involved).
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Islamic kinship that played a role in the awakening nationalism and that gave ground for unifying and motivating some of the organizations. But again, I don't have a source at the moment that
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Jakarta should have its own article here. The content there has been trimmed. Nevertheless, adequate content remains to maintain article continuity there. Explanatory hats have been added to that
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Yes, I think the summary elements you've abstracted are going to be reference supportable from what I am seeing in sources. And yes, in many ways the tags are a bit of nonsense. Taking the time to actually sort things out is the best thing. However, there's quite a bit, so the tags stand as
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n 1909, Tirtoadisurjo, a graduate of OSVIA, founded the
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