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At that time, north India was ruled by
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Unlike his father, he had ascetic tendencies and did not have any great interest in women....Babur treated them and his other women relatives well.
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He had one daughter by her, Fakhr-un-Nissa, who died as an infant within a year in 1500 AD.
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