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Soviets were attempting to renege on the Four Power Agreement. And in the process of unilaterally transferring the sovereignty of the Soviet sector of Berlin to the GDR agreement, it had indeed breached the agreement with the three Western Allies over the status of Berlin. The Western Allies were obliged to keep in Berlin until its status were resolved, which eventually came through the form of the Two plus four treaty in 1990. Thus the argument of the Western Allies actions being POV, IMHO, is invalid. --
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The coordinates of the new airport template have moved the airplane icon back out of Templehof. How can you nudge the airplane silhouette back eastwards on map by about one plane width so that it actually is in Templehof again like I had it before? I realize, the actual coordinates should not be
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the area of the old airport is designated as "2. Flughafenkomplex (ab 1925 bis 1945)" (2nd airport complex), the actual terminal building was located in the vicinity of what's described there as "SchieĂźstand" (shooting range). The location of the subway station "ParadestraĂźe" is far to the left,
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I live by the field, and agree this sentence is misleading. There is a refugee camp, which was set up a couple of years ago, in the old terminal building. There is a large temporary structure outside of the terminal which I believe was built for the camp too. As far as I know it still houses
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I hate IP editors as much as you - they're scum - but their concerns in this case were entirely valid. A simple rewrite of two sentences fixed that. I've done it myself. It's great that Knowledge has policemen like yourself keeping order all the time - well done! - but in this case
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