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OK. But that was eight months back, and well within the three-month time period allotted by HC (even assuming no extension requests were filed!). So even if a reference is found from that period, it would not be useful unless it categorically says that the govt has set-up a commission or has refused
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But while I think the second point is not worth including, neither do I think it is worth edit-warring over since either ways it is no big deal. Unfortunately the page being locked, prevents us from making trivial improvements to the article, for example the sentence "Following
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The first point above is clearly relevant to the article, since it directly relates to the "identity" of the subject. The second point is basically trivia that happens to be sourceable; while the third point would be good to know (in which case we can simply modify the existing sentence as "The UP
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That is your thinking, which is original research. The fact is that the government did not constitute the commission as directed by the high court. So, the opposition party requested for a debate. It was approved by the speaker. It is a democratic process. Debates take place between people of
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Bhagwanji; also a good secondary source would be preferable over the primary report being used as a reference.
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Note that this was at my request after I warned 2 editors that they'd passed 3RR. I'd hate to see anyone blocked but if anyone exceeds 3RR (or goes to 3RR regularly) they probably will get blocked, those are the rules.
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On the plus side, we can take advantage of this break to let apparent tempers cool, regain some perspective, and perhaps even locate some additional sources! Cheers.
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