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mentioned dynasties. The political activities of BJP in tamilnadu like supporting a non-existent matha at kanchi etc, show that it wants to gain foothold in tamil south. BJP , Has previously attempted and still continues to covertly and overtly take up the management and “ownership” of ancient temples of tamil nadu. For this purpose it is working alongside pseudo-scholars, and pseudo-intellectuals to forge an identity to connect it to those temples historically. It has already created its own versions of many available ancient texts and documents of ancient tamil dynasties, with the help of pseudo-intellectuals. The RSS organization regularly brings in people at different position who take up tamil names and claim to be “tamil brahmins”. It has also attempted to systematically spread misinformation that these “brahmins”(whom it has sponsored) were the ones who have descended from(references: www.bharathavarsha.com/iyer.html) those who were patronized by ancient tamil clans (chola/pallavas), even though it is well known that the former were inveterate foes of the latter and that during that age there was a perpetual trade embargo implemented most effectively by the cholas. The term “iyer” used by southern BJP functionaries is a very recent one and not prevalent during ancient times. The brahminical identity of many such people itself remains a suspect. A good number of these people are from deccan. With the help of anti-socials and vested interests within the state of TN and south they create an identity for themselves linking them to the state from remote past. The usual modus operandi is by trying to enter into matrimonial relationships with those who are presumed to be “natives”.
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that BJP, considering the humiliating defeat and further annihilations suffered by medieval deccani dynasties like chalukyas etc at the hands of the powerful and imperialist ancient tamil royal races of cholas and pallavas,sees an oppurtunity now centuries after the demise of the above mentioned tamil royalties, to make up for those humiliations.Infact, this did not happen all of a sudden. foundations of this were laid by titular(under british supervision) deccan chiefs of tanjore from 18th century on and to a lesser extent by the nayaks of vijayanagar dynasty. All of whom came down atleast a few centuries after the demise of the brilliant chola empire. The nayak chiefs and their nobles are also guilty of manipulating and forging the available authentic grants belonging to cholas and pallavas and also smuggling a few. It is well known fact that the deccani dynasties among the others were natural enemies of the powerful chola and pallava emperors and the latter never really considered giving up their enmity with the former, renewing it time and again by dispatching exceptionally predatory expeditions to deccan.
1151:. Second, the fact that Modi was accused of protecting mobs and obstructing the police is on record. The allegations may have been baseless, and the only people still saying it may be the Left, but at the time, all news sources, even rediff.com, carried accusations of this. That BJP activists were similarly accused is also true. That the BJP attempted to justify Modi's leadership was also true - see Vajpayee's Goa speech. That he was embarrassed we already have seen. Can you suggest what in particular you would like changed? The passage cannot of course, go entirely. That it affected the BJP's standing and it's moral superiority over the post-1984 Congress is unquestionable, and also that it dominated the discourse within the country and within the NDA itself for some time.
1135:"The BJP was severely discredited by the 2002 Gujarat riots, where the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi of the BJP was accused of protecting Hindu mobs and obstructing the work of police to stop violence against the Muslim minority. Many BJP activists and party members were accused of orchestrating the violence. Over 2,000 innocent people, about eighty percent Muslims and the remainder Hindus were killed and tens of thousands displaced in the riots. Though the BJP attempted to defend and justify Modi's leadership, the moderate wing of the party was embarrassed and weakened by the effects of the fiasco on the party's image and its efforts to woo Muslim voters. International reprimands followed including the controversial revocation of Mr. Modi's US visa."
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call BJP t in my preceding remark. I just wish to point out limitations of "resists analysis in terms of left/right" (left/right is virtually never an issue of self-identification. If the economical policies of BJP are to be studied, then BJP places itself firmly on the rightwing flank of Indian politics). Also I question the logic of seeing nationalist and t as mutually exclusive categories. After all virtually all ts are nationalists, whereas not all nationalists are ts. 3. I hope you're aware that 'pinko' is not a very swadeshi term. --
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was an ally of the BJP's at the time. It is specified that VAjpayee {The "moderate leadership") was particularly embarassed. Note also that the
Congress party page specifies that many human rights orgs believe the Congress was responsible for the 1984 riots. If you feel that other leaderships articles in other countries do not reflect accusations that they mismanaged riots under their administration, edit those articles, not this one.
2005:(2)This second question is about why was the article called "Secret advertisement" that I made taken away from the Knowledge page on the Indian Peoples Party? Because I learned recently as far as I know that underneath an editing box like this there’s a small rectangular box with the words Edit summary above it. So did I just need to write in it to explain why I changed the BJP article by adding extra text/paragraph’s
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1148:(a) can we disagree that the BJP was 'discredited'? I expect some qualifier of that is permissible; however, the BJP uptil that point had made much of the fact that communal riots had never taken place in a State where it was in power. The Gujarat riots caused that statement to rebound. The Prime Minister himself said that it embarassed him everywhere he went
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kinds of incidents happen all the time. What I don't understand is, Riots worse than these have happened under several leaderships in several countries. Why is Indian
Leadership being picked on here ? What I want to see is either all Party pages being updated to reflect criticism or this being dropped in the BJP Page
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anyone is ganging up on the two major Indian parties; there have been no major riots elsewhere in the past twenty years that I can think of immediately, other than a few; the French riots in suburban Paris is one example, and they are mentioned prominently in the short article on the French ruling party, the
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In the past few days there have been some questionable, unsourced edits to this article. At first I tried to remove them, but realized that I couldn't decifer between what was the recent POV edits and older material, as some was sourced. I would like to help with the editing of this article, but will
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has a banner of BJP on their site, but this is in no way relevant to the current article. My guess is that BJP is unaware of this development. Also, we, Indians do not exactly fall under the races which are the support base (however small) of NAZIs. Hope this clears your doubt. Else, please feel free
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Thank you User: Relato refero for that reply I will now give you one answer and two questions. Firstly from what I have learned from the
Knowledge page on Hindutva ideology it does seem to be a personal but constructive form of ideology on the right wing that accepts different traditions and religons
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I think the 'Political accusations' chapter should be removed, my empirical understand is that such chapters just function as an open invitations of opponents of the party in question to post their own pov queries. Gujarat 2002 is a notable event, and should be mentioned in the history chapter with a
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Actually, I can guarantee that it won't, the leftist wikipedians will call you names and mass-revert all your changes.What I suggest is that you select the sentences from the BJP article that are critical and post them here in the talk page, then perhaps we can build up a criticism section (including
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Well, some white supremacists are members of the US Republican Party. Should we mention that in the
Republican party page? It was done by people who just so happened to be members. Also, it is pro da calling the BJP "Hindu nationalists" Doesn't the republicans have a Christian nationalist agenda?
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The tainted kanchi acharya is known to be a hardcore supporter of both BJP and shiv sena and those parties have used that falseful math’s influence to gain political ascendancy.But this is not only for generally known motives of gaining power in tamil south. The less known reason seems to be the fact
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BJP's politics also give a probably correct impression that it has to be regarded as a contemporary legatee of many medieval deccan dynasties like chalukyas etc. There are a number of strong reasons behind this. BJP has had its origins in the karnataka-maharashtra-andhra region, the home to the above
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1. Can you share with us why or how the addition of ‘Thackeray’s call to form suicide squads in India’ under the “controversy” section could be considered as ‘out of context’? 2. More importantly, do you think if it's appropriate to leave some remarks/explanation as to why you are removing certain
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Which is why it should be interspersed throughout the article, not in a criticism section. Just because each article is independent of each other doesn't mean we can't apply the same standard to pages that are basically equivalents. Criticism of a political party makes absolutely no sense because it
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I think the accusations actually died down after the reports began to be made public and people concentrated on lapses at the local level. The anti-Modi sentiment was strongest early on, when the BJP was still in power at the centre. A look at rediff's articles on
Gujarat confirms this. I dont think
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I didn't mean it like that (about Power). What I tried to say was When the accusations from the media started to surface (which was a year or two ago) the
Congress led coalition of UPA was at Power. There are several 100s Party Articles. Editing each of them would be a herculean task, I just want to
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What's the difference between these really ? Although the
Gujarat riots have happened during our tenure, there is no proof to show our direct involvement (and the statement is non sourced). The KKK activities however have showed solid links towards the Republican Part and many Southern Democrats (in
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1. I'm sorry to point it out to you, but it is a historically correct statement. Mussolini and other always claimed to be neither leftwing nor rightwing (which to some extent can be explained by the incorporation of both left and right ideas into t ideological construct). 2. However, I did not
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BJP doesn't consider itself to be "Hindu nationalist." You consider it to be so. According to BJP, Hindutva and
Indianness are the same. That is exactly the point here. They consider themselves to be Indian Nationalist party. Abdul Kalam, a Muslim became the President of India thanks to them. Please
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May I ask why you have removed every single authentic and very well cited edits? Every single edit I did was cited, supported, and consistent with the reports of the highly reputable and the largest Indian newspapers (among others, the Times of India and the Hindu) and BBC. You can click on every
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The less known reason seems to be the fact that BJP, considering the humiliating defeat and further annihilations suffered by medieval deccani dynasties like chalukyas etc at the hands of the powerful and imperialist ancient tamil royal races of cholas and pallavas,sees an oppurtunity now centuries
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You are incorrect. The Left was not in power at the Centre. The BJP was in power at both the centre and the state levels, and hence the party's reputation suffered. That Modi genuinely supported the mobs is not stated, merely that there were accusations - from many, including Chandrababu Naidu, who
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Yeah, i agree with 122.172.4.133. We learn in our class 1 that all Indians are our brothers and sisters. I won't comment anything about the BJP, RSS and Bajrang Dal, though the Bajrang Dal was shown to have a hand in the Mangalore pub attack. And whoever wants mention of KKK in the Republican Party
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Andhra Pradesh is not economically stagnant. Check your facts before posting idiocy. Yes the Defeat of TDP was the reason NDA couldn't survive. But the TDP was defeated because of other reasons. Such as farmers felt Chandrababu Naidu didn't care about them and the Congress promised Free Electricity
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thae article is too pro BJP , it doesnt give much significance that the BJP is the politicial organization which mainly belives in hindu nationalism , under the controversies the hate speeches of advani and the 1983 assam riots and the tehelka corruption expose do not figure if wikipedia is neutral
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This talk page seriously needs neutral voices, the article itself needs more information most importantly regarding various cells within the party and its performance as the principal opposition since 2004. I have removed the template in the top most part of the page because its really not required
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Someone recently removed the description Right Wing claiming that the source was an opinion piece. There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed sourced describing BJP as a Right Wing, Hindu Nationalist party - I have inserted some of them. Many academic sources also state that it is predominantly
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Hi, you were right when you had reverted the edits of the other editor. But apologising does not soleve any purpose. This guy, according to his own admission, is a BJP suporter (BTW, I have never voted for another party than the BJP), and as such his edits are full of POV materials supporting BJP.
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What are you talking about? There is really no link between the GOP and the KKK. The Republican Party, like the Northern wing of the Democratic Party, has generally been supportive of civil rights and strongly opposed the Klan at the time the KKK were the strongest, in the early 20th century. The
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No confusion at all and do not depart yourself…note that it is impossible to provide accurate reference on each and every wording in WP. The reference is mainly lies on recap of the topic and that has to be linked with the topic. In this case, the criticism that BJP widely received as being fully
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Yes Modi "protecting the mobs" and other BJP leaders being involved was "on record" but like you said, It happened when the Left was in Power (in Centre). Modi's leadership was justified however him protecting the mobs have never been proven and Vajpayee never praised or approved Modi here. These
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Hi, when submitting edit requests you need to tell us clearly, exactly what edit you would like to make and where and not by copying the entire article body and including the changes you would like to make to the talk page as we'd have to search through both articles until we find the difference
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Wiki reflects only administrator’s view (in this case mostly privilege Hindu upper cast Indian’s), they can allow content to be added without any reliable reference like in this article or delete content which is supported by reliable sources references but goes against their ideology. They are
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Hi this is User: Political Dweeb's explanation. The reason I took away the article on this talk page called the "BJP's position" is because no one seemed to want to talk to me about it so I put up the paragraphs under the title called Secret advertisement so anyone or the representatives of the
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This article is terrible, this talk page is terrible, and this entire subject is severely in need of neutral voices. It seems that the entire collective editing this article is composed of party supporters. This is not acceptable. I am not an expert and cannot personally contribute, but someone
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I strongly agree. I'm from the US reading this article in order to understand Indian politics--and therefore without knowledge or experience for bias--but the wording sounds like it should have been written for the BJP website itself. If you are going to clean a page of any negative content,
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I'm removing the Gujarat Riots reference. The Congress page doesn't talk about the attacks on Bombay. The Republican Party page doesn't talk about KKK or and The Democratic Party page doesn't say anything about their pro-slavery stance (in the past). So Why should an unsourced
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When writing the article, in order to keep it non-biased it should include both criticism as well as the self-describtion of BJP themselves. However, when discussing the party ideology the article would be incomplete without a through presentation of BJP's roots in BJS, relations to RSS/Sangh
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The BJP, along with the INC is a very controversial party. Eliminating redundancies is of course a great thing, but there has been so much criticism levied against it that we have to document at least the basics. That said, incorporating it into the article itself would make the content less
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I do not see any reason that both sections are needed in this article. They can be easily combined into one consistent section highlighting party ideology and listing the primary objectives of the ideology. I just wanted to know if anyone disagreed with me before I made any attempt at it.
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I thought the BJP was a fascist party that helped Gujarati rioters pour petrol down the throats of Muslim men and set it alight after raping their female family members in front of them. Couldn't this article have a bit more detail about this? It seems to be written by the wrong people
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If you feel the KKK deserves a place in the Repulblican Party article, please add it there. The Gujarat riots are here because they were a significant development that occurred while the BJP was in power at both centre and state. Note that the Congress article clearly mentions the 1984
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I Have a Simple Question about BJP, VHP, RSS, Bajrand Dal Etc. These people Want to build Ram Rajya, Is this is what mean Ram Rajya(Gujrat Riots) mean. Killing Innocent People, Raping There own Indians, Sister, mothers etc. Then Every one should think about These Parties.
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This page is very biased. It overwhelmingly only represents the official views of the highly controversial BJP Party. If there is a group of editors willing to try to craft an attempt at a more neutral page, please...let's talk. Otherwise this page is little more than
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The article specifically does not blame the BJP. That section details the achievements of the second Vajpayee government in some detail; it also includes what was definitely one of the most newsworthy events of that period, the Gujarat riots. Let's look tat the
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I believe you got confused; not without any reason though. What I meant was that, since it was you who had mentioned that BJP was anti-christian, the onus lay on you to provide sources of inference that are impartial in their judgement and at the same time
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has added it without properly reading the Hindu article & other incidents which is directly coming to the subject. However, I haven’t removed it from xenophobia as I could not find any direct sources accusing this term with the subject. My question to
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may god save you indians from religion based fanatics & terrorist escorts. was there a single paragraph which didnt offer speculative bjp favourable views & which through omission of glaring realities tried to portray as if bjp was a
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I have reviewed the edit history and agree with you. The past edits were referenced with BJP.org and had no reliable sources for the statements made. I will continue to watch the article for such unsourced POV. Thank you for your response.
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Thank you User: Shovon76 for your reply. I found on the history of the edits made to the page on the BJP that Relato refero said that the point I made about the link between BJP and LNSGP was unsourced. However I had shown the link called
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Tripping Nambiar, the issues are mainly related to ideology that is going beyond the boundary of NPOV. Additionally, the template used is only meant for sections. If you want to add a fresh NPOV, raise the number of issues here and add.
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Excuse me, but many of us have no love for the neo-liberal, pro-Washington direction taken by the INC. We're just smart enough to realise that right-wing Hindu nationalists who form alliances with neo-Nazi parties like Shiv Sena are far
2002:(1)Is it possible so it can be clarified for safety's sake if you can communicate with a representative of the BJP to see if they oppose the LNSGP and the other extreme forms of discrimination that I previously been talking about?
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Yes off course because to confuse and to gain muslims votes and eye wash for mulsim community nothing else. Eg: After Gujrat Riots Abdul Kalam Made President of India because to use as the duster for what BJP had done in Gujrat.
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Wow. I believe you mean Hindus wrt to Godhra, and both Hindus and Muslims wrt the riots. Shovon was being metaphorical, and you are being disingenuous. It seems neither of you are removing yourselves to dispassionately view the
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Further it is well possible to prove that the kargil conflict of 1999 was stage managed by BJP because it envied what it saw as a "congress led" 1971 win over pakistan. An operation similar to 1986 brasstacks was also staged.
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Frnds, I intend to trim down the article a bit. I hope to begin with the criticism / controversies portion which is quite big, it seems, with allegations and refutations. I request your invaluable opinions, and suggestions.
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It seems that the honorable Sri Narendra Modi, the best CM in India, has had his page Hijacked by some Bangladeshi and some American Congressman. I ask you to step up and bring balance to his article. Thank You - Jai Hind.
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know Why the BJP (and Congress) was (were) targeted towards these kinds of things ? OfCourse Chandra Babu et all criticised him; That's what Politicians do, They gang up on people who seem to be involved in a controversy.
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Should be relegated to major issues, not things that have only been in the news for a couple weeks. Issues about Gujarat (which continue to haunt the party) belong, random incidents don't, since every party has corrupt
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Though India is Democratic and Republic all the Political parties supports Caste system and Religion. There is no scientific progress and thinking and all political parties also support reservation on caste system.
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We may agree that Hindutva implies secularism. But many sections of the BJP itself do not say so. Has the BJP ever advertised itself as secular? To speak about secularism, we have to drag the RSS into the discussion.
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Criticism in a separate section is different from criticism in the story itself. The one in story can be laced with pre and post sentences to make in fully ineffective whereas that will not be the case if a separate
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single link to verify that my edits were consistent with the historical news reports. My edits are necessary because they play a vital role in balancing, otherwise highly inaccurate, distorted and biased views.
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Not necessarily, criticism(say of this BJP article) removes a feeling of bias. Of course there is nothing called as neutral criticism, which would be meaningless. And criticism is vital for a non-biased view.
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I tend to agree with Jammoe. Whoever this is (Ramiz Saiyad), please note that this is Knowledge and not your personal domain to post personal comments. Lets all work together for a better Knowledge
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BJP IS BEST PARTY NOW SHOWING,BECAUSE OF CONGRESS GOING TO RISE ALL TYPE OF LIVING THINGS,NOT CONTROLING,INTERESTING IN SHAREMARKET SHOW- MIDDLE CLASS INCOME GOING DOWN,INTEREST INCOME GOING DOWN,
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How so, Abdul Kalam is a Muslim. But he is respected widely among the BJP. As a matter BJP offered support to him in the first place. Actually all BJP wants to unity among Hindus and Indians.--
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I dont think they do, but there's a difference in my eyes between the KKK and the Gujarat riots. More to the point, if you think they deserve a place, this isnt where you should discuss it.
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Please guys, view this merely as a Knowledge article. Criticism is an integral part of any good article and it removes the feeling of non-neutrality that users get on reading articles.
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Editors are requested not to add their POV about the comparision of riots under various dispensations, and to edit the articles of the respective parties for the same. Thanks.
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ideological orientations merely to get hold of power, after it failed to secure a majority of its own. Such statements tend to bias the neutrality of the article concerned. --
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Question CAN A PARTY WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DIVIDING THE COUNTRY ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS AND INSIGHTING HATRED AMOUNG TWO COMMUNITIES BE GIVING CHANCE TO RULE OUR NATION.
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Some would claim that it is t. Obviously the BJP and it's supporters would dispute that. But it resists analysis in terms of left/right. It's a nationalist party.
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responses) and then put it in the article. Bear in mind that this will be a watering hole for POV-pushers and other extremist wikipedians so we all need to be careful.
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And whoever says that criticism isn't there in pages of the Democrats, Republicans, AIADMK and whatever, please note that each article is independent of each other.
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You tell me, do or do they not deserve a place. Along with that I have no problem in adding that the Democrats once supported slavery and Republicans oppose it.--
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Hi Political Dweeb, you can see the edit history of the page to see the reason why your edit was removed. Although you had correctly stated that the site
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and their numerous antisemitic comments. This group claims that Hindu civilization began 111.5 trillion years ago... a few trillion before the big bang.
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There is no mention of BJP in the link you gave above. I consider tagging the article as POV as an act of vandalism and I am hence removing the tag. --
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between the two and this could take some time to do. If you would like to submit another request for this edit please feel free to do so but tell us
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or any other page, also I think such section will survive in 'INC' page. Be open to criticism. Regards, Vjdchauhan 06:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC).
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This is no NPOV article - It only contains BJP Propoganda.They should mention Gujarat and also the rioting as a show of Model BJP ruled state.
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for the incidents in Gujarat. Do remember that you cannot clap using a single hand. Both parties were responsible for the carnage in Gujarat.
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Can anyone explain why all references to the UP election as well as the threat of derecognition have been removed? If not, I will restore it.
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making wiki dirty place & biased. Such administrators shall be blocked.
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1869:Appropriate
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2812:zeeyanketu
2767:Right wing
2660:Uttrakhand
2424:incidents.
2344:Neutrality
2193:POV issues
2123:Ism schism
2092:Ism schism
1663:Anybody??
1627:Riots ...?
1541:Hornplease
1526:Hornplease
1494:Terminador
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1201:Hornplease
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763:Anirudh777
450:till we *)
2705:Notify Me
2697:DeltaQuad
2690:Not done:
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2459:So fix it
2328:Ram Astra
2146:Karimpuli
1853:as well.
1616:TomCat111
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1306:Criticism
1080:Jay942942
1064:Jay942942
503:ideology?
315:Excuse Me
147:Criticism
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1420:Pectore
1418:Thanks.
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