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The bicycle motion was in the generation of that momentum, usually while bringing up the kicking leg after using to to propel upwards, the other leg is brought down sharply and are in a cycling motion. Fundamentally it might look like a bicycle motion, or scissor motion of the legs. However a lot of
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Furthermore, asserting what "Spanish speaking countries" call the move is problematic. As indicated in the article, the name varies depending on location. Trying to impose a name over another just because that's what you think it should be called isn't correct. Let everyone enjoy the game their own
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I would argue that the bicycle kick & scissors kick are not the same. I fail to see any 'bicycle' movement in the scissor kick in which the legs are essentially straight. The bicycle kick when I played was a method of getting over the ball when it was above ground level but below waist height.
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Arellano's acrobatic showboating is what ultimately caused the injury that, in turn, led to his untimely death. This is relevant information about an article concerning an acrobatic football skill, which he reportedly performed in numerous
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What you describe (which sounds similar to Di Canio's volleyed goal against
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Theory about the 'chalaca': Player: ? Date: ? Field: ? What did Jorge
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This article is tendentious. It completely hides the true inventor of the bicycle kick, Ramón Unzaga: "The important seaport of Chile in
Talcahuano also has a bicycle kick tradition dating back to the 1910s, when Ramón Unzaga, a Basque athlete born in Spain and a naturalized Chilean
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Bicycle kick is either jumping up, or falling backwards, and using your feet to strike the ball that is above your head. In both cases the ball arrives above shoulder height (usually) and you are using your momentum to drive your feet at a ball that you otherwise cannot
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It's not clear to me what exactly is being suggested as a change. Regardless, Koncorde is correct in that the entry here is a reflection of the usage in
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In Spain, they initially used the terms, "tijera" and "media tijera", respectively, in the early days of these feats (which made things confusing). But, that didn't last too long. They, later, adopted the most common terminology used in South America.
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The problem is that both feats involve a scissors-like movement. So, terms like "bicycle kick" and "scissors kick" are somewhat ambiguous. Neither would make good "umbrella" term, in my opinion. But, I guess its use is too spread in English.
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The player jumped in the air, did a cycling motion with his feet and connected with the ball. The obvious difference is that in the scissors kick the ball arrives above waist height, with the bicycle kick it arrives below waist height.
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