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National Cemetery per Department of the Army". So perhaps it wasn't unknown? I think you could shed some light on this by getting a hold of Horkan's "Report of Visit to Fort Meade South Dakota" and citing his recommendation, although that's not necessary. But I do think asserting "unknown" might not be accurate unless the sources themselves say "unknown", which the cited source in question does not. However, there is additional support for your assertion that the change was unknown, because later the source says "The army reasoned that the name change was instituted to avoid confusion with the post cemetery that still existed on the Fort Meade reservation", which implies that Horkan's recommendation was either ignored or not acted upon. It would be great to have something more definitive.
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a coordinating conjunction. Both sides of the semicolon should be complete sentences. Think about rewriting this or just using a comma instead. For example, "Prominent features of the cemetery include its committal shelter, where memorial services and events are held, and the Avenue of Flags leading
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Can you take a quick look at the review and see if everything has been addressed? I have added a lot up above over the last several days. It looks like the acreage issue could be acknowledged with a simple footnote explaining the discrepancy? Or we could just ignore it, but it might come up again.
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I just bought a new brand of coffee and it doesn't seem to be kicking in, so I apologize if I'm wrong here, but the use of "works" here just seems off to me. It's probably ok, but it sounds a bit too informal. I'm going to change it to "The search for a reliable underground water source..." if you
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I also noticed the 105.9 vs. 105.4 discrepancy. I found two sources for the 105.9 acre figure, the 1974 booklet from the VA and the 2019 expansion press release from the VA. To be honest, I'm inclined to rely on the VA number over the NRHP number, as I find the nomination forms to generally be less
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I think this is the way forward. There's a State of South Dakota website document that says the following: "Black Hills
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I didn't notice the 1995 vs. 1955 pump house discrepancy but agree the 1955 date has to be a typo, based on contributing status and where it appears chronologically in the narrative. I did a search on
Newspapers to see if I could corroborate this, but nothing popped up (a pump house isn't exactly
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Ok, I think I solved the I-90 issue. Apparently the sources only say "US 14", which is why I was confused. As it turns out, Knowledge confirms that "I-90 enters South Dakota in
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I think the sourcing should be made more explicit here. The initial source you cite for "Other notable graves include", only directly supports
Windolph, Case, Ellsworth, King, and Wolf Guts. As for the additional four internments, I found mention of Abourezk and Janklow in the database system
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I think this needs to be addressed. One way forward is to start moving the sources inline rather than at the end of the paragraph. I just attempted to find a source for Dave Bald Eagle, and it looks like there are some out there, but they still aren't in this article (nor are they in his
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Again, the cited source alludes to this, but doesn't actually say this. We want to get in the habit of using sources so that they explicitly support the material. Also, this source is from 1951, so may not be the best one for this purpose. See if you can find another, preferably newer
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This is a bit clunky to read and it could mean that the admin building was built in the space where the chapel was planned or that the committal shelter was. I realize you meant the former, but in case you meant the latter or if someone reads it that way, maybe consider rewriting
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There’s no hurry at all, so please take your time. I will extend the time limit to however long is needed, and I will try to help address the points above. I will be adding a few more things in a bit. As you can see, the concerns are minor and should be easily addressed.
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OK, I just took another look. I will go ahead and pass. Just FYI, the format of the captions in the "later history and expansions" section is somewhat unusual, and while I don’t have a problem with it, someone else may dispute your use of grammar and punctuation here.
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this original plot now includes the administration building and the entrance plaza. After the 2018 expansion, the property now covers approximately 222 acres (90 ha), although not all land has been developed.
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