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of the links is what's important. Some person's personal collection of photos (which may or may not actually violate copyright) is never acceptable. A site that contains personal opinion is not acceptable. A blog is not acceptable (although a blog that is run by someone who is already considered
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Although I think the term "avoid" has to do Also with "if possible" and not just with "by all means", rather not get into a semantic discussion here, I must to tell that my case isn't so much related to the links themselves, but the subjects of which they are about, which I believe would add to the
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Bagunceiro, I´m sure that other part think the same, but I also believe that is not efficient for this FREE AND DEMOCRATIC encyclopedia that anyone, no matter who are, try to impose her or his own personal vision Here, much less threatening or intimidating anyone who don't agree with your points !
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Yes, this article was different before, attributing the phrase to Hitler. Now it has been changed to " a tale". this however was no tale, the nickname of Cobras
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article. In this case, stable online references about documentaries (not necessarily these ones, though interesting and diverse) and links that offered a relatively broad epoch photographic material on the subject. I'd appreciate you help, if possible.
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Hey, did be step on your foot? He speaks way better English than what you just wrote, and I presume Knowledge can do without your insinuations about his personality based on a user name. Btw. Please proofread before writing in the kind of English.
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The article says the 80th Panzer Division surrendered to the BEF. There was no 80 Panzer Division in Italy. There was a 90th Panzer-Grenadier Division and it was near Bologna, just opposite the US 10th Mountain Division.
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Cybershore, No intimidation here, and no personal vision. This ENGLISH encyclopaedia should be written in English and constantly reverting it to pigeon for whatever motive is not acceptable.
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