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Quite a few manic shooters use grazing to affect the player's score, health, etc. Generally, if a projectile is within the character's sprite but outside of the hitbox it can be considered grazing, or at least that's what I've experienced. Regarding "manicness" above, it seems like it is mainly newer
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This is bordering on silliness. This isn't a sub-genre of shooters but merely their natural evolution over the years. You can see this trend gradually forming (to a lower or higher degree) based on the year of a game's original release. There isn't a shooter released within the last five years that
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All the information in "manic shooter" was redundant with, and practically identical to, the information here. The little information that was different was merged into this article. A google search for "bullet hell" turns up ~500 hits, and "manic shooter" turns up ~600 hits, so yeah, it looks like
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It would help to point out some game examples that strongly resemble the features attributed to this sub-genre under "Typical features". I've played several manic shooters (various ABA titles, Perfect Cherry
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