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Good points, and I probably got the adhering to screen-titles concept from you. Because of this discussion I'd like to play the film, which I've never seen (no spoilers please), and see if the name fits the plotline and, importantly, if it can be taken two or three ways. Will likely do so before this
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This is a constant balance -- what to do when formatting suggested by the MOS is inconsistent with the official name and the name commonly used in reliable sources. But as the MOS makes clear that ultimately what we should do is defer to usage in reliable sourcing -- ""an adherence to conventions
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widely used in the genre are critically important to credibility." If the reliable sources used throughout coverage of the genre use the "correct title," it clearly runs against our guidelines purposes to intentionally choose to use a different one.--
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per common and real name and per references and External links. After seeing the image of the film poster, which uses lowercase styling, I checked the on-screen title of the film and it is uppercased (as is the
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1371: 1299: 657: 1063:), I can appreciate the desire to retain the original depiction. However, adherence to punctuation and stylization (ellipses, commas, exclamation points, etc) differs from capitalization. 681: 1171:, such as "from", "into", "like", "with" or "upon", however there has also been occasional contention regarding some of those (particularly "Like"/"like" when it is not used as a verb). 688:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140110131702/http://www.playbill.com/news/article/185162-Marin-Mazzie-Lands-Coveted-Leading-Role-in-Woody-Allen-Musical-Bullets-Over-Broadway?tsrc=hpt2
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140110131700/http://www.playbill.com/news/article/186325-Karen-Ziemba-Joins-Woody-Allens-Bullets-Over-Broadway-Casting-Now-Complete?tsrc=hph
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Surely the word "Over" in the title should be capitalised? Excluding Knowledge, you have to go 23 Google UK results down before the next result doesn't capitalise it.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140623083150/http://www.playbill.com:80/news/article/189909-The-Verdict-Critics-Review-Woody-Allen-Musical-Bullets-Over-Broadway
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140826114933/http://www.playbill.com/news/article/curtain-comes-down-on-woody-allen-musical-bullets-over-broadway
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In the case at hand, "Over"/"over" seems to be the source of greater contention than other four-letter prepositions mentioned at
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http://www.playbill.com/news/article/186325-Karen-Ziemba-Joins-Woody-Allens-Bullets-Over-Broadway-Casting-Now-Complete?tsrc=hph
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Common sense exceptions are supported by the guideline template, and this seems one per the sources and on-screen titling.
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