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Bumblebee is a pure horror movie, the atmosphere, the terror, the fear and the beasts that are elements of horror cinema are present in the horror film
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films they include lists about which types of dinosaurs were included in the film. The other
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Wheeljack currently has a reference that points to the web archive. It comes up okay briefly but then redirects to a 404 page. I don't think the cast list even needs that reference anymore (the article was an analysis of the trailer which is well out of date now that the film has been
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This is 50% about this article and 50% just asking for clarification about Cast sections in general. I thought the Cast section in film articles listed the actors in the film and the characters they portray, not the other way around. Should fully-CGI characters with no actors who portray them be
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Bumblebee like all transformers have horror elements, so sci-fi action horror film. I noticed that in the wikipedia pages of
Jurassic park, horror is not mentioned in the genre of the film! Jurassic Park, Transformers are as much horror movies as the Exorcist, Alien, Frankenstein and The Shining
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A famous website that publish Box Office and Budget information that website is "Box Office Mojo". And this website is always provide to all
Hollywood films that make their release. And this only followed by Knowledge all Hollywood films pages. And production of films is always provide in this
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Exorcist, The Shining, Dracula, Frankenstein, Carrie, Night of the Living Dead or It's Alive. Thank you for your future response, hoping you understand that this is a real horror movie. Thank you. --77.207.75.83 (talk) 11:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Shining, The Exorcist, The Omen, Alien, Halloween ! Transformers are giants robots, giants robots from the sky (aliens then), so GIANT ROBOTS + ALIENS + ELEMENTS OF SCARY MOVIE = HORROR MOVIE ! i do not understant what you
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I'm going to leave it alone for now because $ 135 millions does seems to be the more credible pre tax figure, but ideally the article body should make some effort to explain the discrepancies and at least mention that the film got tax write offs. --
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included a long list of characters that appear in the film, but that eventually became a cultural references section, which gives an overview and references lists published by other sources, so these things can be done in various different ways. --
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after tax rebates is the actual budget). However they only declared money spent in California that was eligible for tax breaks, if any work (such as special effects) was outsourced the spend could have been higher (and there's always reshoots).
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an action movie ? you really think this so-called "action movie" look like Rambo, Fast and Furious ? science-fiction, yes ! action ? NO ! and if Star wars is a sci-fi horror, then why Transformers is not ?!--
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I'm saying we revert until a definitive source is provided? The line of toys isn't a good enough source imo, especially when, as you've pointed out, the marketing is saying differently.
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If it isn't notable then it isn't notable. Delete the page it if you must. But if it isn't notable then there isn't a good reason to bloat this page with it either.
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