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Though "technically" a bushfire is similar to a wildfire. in comman speach the terms differ. The Word Bush refers not to a specific plant but to the enviroment similar to the "wilderness" or "the wild". Furthermore due to the flora, and climate of australia a bushfire can result from different
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At this a point a better question would be where you are getting your information from? I can't even imagine why any grazier would light a fire in the middle of the dry season as you suggest. Such an action would destroy all standing feed. What would stock eat for the next 4-6 months? In
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Anderson, E.R., Pressland, A.J., McLennan, S.R., Clem, R.L., & Rickert, K.G. (1988). The role of fire in native pasture management. In Native pastures in
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