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31: 874:", the term is used because under the medieval system after the conquest all the land in England belonged to the monarch who used to parcel it out for favours, eventually people won the right to hold it perpetuity from the crown, which means to all intense and purposes it is theirs, but the origins in law are that all land belongs to the crown. As I said you have to think medieval! 892:
Yes, you are "thinking medieval". A few things have happened since the Middle Ages, such as democracy. Thinking modern, the Queen is the head of state and the Prime Minister is the head of government. The government is responsible to Parliament and does not have to answer to the monarch on matters
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I'm wondering - I know nothing about the field - if there is a word for this type of government where there is nothing between the federal government and the local or municipal government. Eg in Canada the state is styled a 'confederation' where the individual provinces have authority over various
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I came to the article page to find out which party was in power in 1791 (the year in which a bill for the abolition of slavery was first discussed and rejected). Instead I find a somewhat cavalier description of a predominantly parliamentary institution, with no history section, and vandalism of an
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also can I add the Queen is Not the "Queen of England" she is Queen of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland " thats what the name of the Country is ! its on the front of My British Passport .....England ,Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland make up the UK they are the home nations
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Well in theory, the executive authority of the government is vested in the Sovereign. In practice, executives decisions are made by the Prime Minister and Cabinet on behalf of the monarch. The British monarch has extensive theoretical powers, but in practice is a ceremonial figurehead who acts on
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I have removed the infobox "Government agency" from this article as its presence distorts the nature of what the "Her Majesty's Government" actually is. HMG is not an "agency", it is not even a corporate body in a legal sense; it is a collective name, and a term of art in constitutional politics.
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it states that the government is led by the prime minister), but I don't think the article says who/what "the Government of the United Kingdom" actually is. I came to the page when trying to find out whether the government is just the group of people which consists of the prime minister together
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states, "The lead has no heading; its length should be commensurate with that of the article, but is normally no more than four paragraphs." The lead is over 1000 words. 14 paragraphs, and constitutes over half of the total length of the article. It should concisely summarise the content of the
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The term 'Britannic Majesty' is used only in the realms of international relations to differentiate the Crown from foreign ones. As this article is regarding a national government; there is no need for it, and has thus been removed. Also, the source provided does not support the "of the United
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The monarch is commander of the armed forces; soldiers will swear allegiance to the crown rather than to the state. In this sense, the monarchy is “intelligible” as she is the personification of the British State. People can swear loyalty to the state, a social construction, via the
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The problem here is that one needs to make a distinction between, the formal constitution (which is basically medieval) and what is done in practice--What Baghot termed the "dignified" (that part which is symbolic) and the "efficient" (the way things actually work and get done).
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The infobox is forcing the use of misleading or inappropriate terminology. For example, stating that the Prime Minister is the "minister responsible" completely ignores the theory and reality of both individual and collective ministerial responsibility.
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When the country outlines were created, temporary data (that matched most of the countries but not all) was used to speed up the process. Those countries for which the temporary data does not match must be replaced with the correct information.
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with all other ministers. Or whether, for example, civil servants are part of "the government"? I believe it would improve the article, if the initial section would explicitly state that "the Government of the United Kingdom consists of ". --
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In practice Prime Ministers or their agents have been known to sell honours (eg Lloyd George), and they do advise the Queen on who to appoint to ministerial posts but that does not mean that the Queen is not formally head of the government.
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Is there any page that lists the current members of the government? I know we have a list of the cabinet, but is there anywhere to find a unified list of all the junior ministers and the like? It seems like such a thing would be in order.
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Currently the article contains "is the head of state and the sovereign, but not the head of government." The Queen is the personification of the state, rather than head of state (you have to think medieval)
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The text says "The Government Ministers all sit in Parliament, and are accountable to it." How are the Ministers who are from the House of Lords accountable to Parliament? --
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I think ehat is being done with the sentence I have quoted from the article is mixing up the "dignified" and the "efficient" without making the difference clear. --
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I agree there should be a history section. I was interested in when exactly the government came about. The Tories were in power in 1791 (Pitt the Younger)
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article. Ideally paragraphs 9 to 12 can be moved to new sections and a short summary can be written. Let's discuss a way of resolving this. --
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Finally, the idea that HMG was "formed" in 1710 is unexplained and unsourced; on the face of it, it also seems like complete nonsense!
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As a native speaker of English, I don't think I've ever come across this problem. To me "the Government" is simply the ministry.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20100414023100/http://www.royal.gov.uk:80/MonarchUK/QueenandGovernment/QueenandPrimeMinister.aspx
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and all offices of state. For example the defence secretary is "Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Defence".
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was the party leader. Prior to this, Cameron and the Conservatives led a coalition government from 2010 to 2015 with the
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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It's also highly misleading to describing HMG as having "jurisdiction" in the British Overseas Territories.
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which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —
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I'm going to have a go at restructuring the article to get these sections in, any help much appreciated.
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A basic info I can't find easily is what party is ruling. Who has the executive and the parliament?--
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of policy. The monarch's involvement in ministerial appointments is almost always purely formal.
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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
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YES because the UK is governed by Her Majesty as are Australia and Canada. and the term
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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
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I've made a go at moving some content, but the existing lead could be rewritten. --
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Not very much considering the last King/Queen of England died a few centuries ago.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", which also, is never used.
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domains such as education, immigration (varying), health services, etc. --
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Of course the Queen is head of government, because the government is
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I think there's still some important parts missing, including:
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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The lead is looking so much better now, thank you so much!
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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Please check that this country's outline is not in error.
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government section of the "Outline of the United Kingdom"
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If you have any questions or comments, please contact
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especially the subsections for the government branches
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The article gives many details about the government (
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Something on the present Government for illustration
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Talk:Government of the United Kingdom
archive
current talk page
Archive 1
government of England
government of Scotland
government of the United States
Insta
ntnood
18:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Her Majesty's Government
Superm401
Talk
03:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Philip Baird Shearer
talk
16:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Government of Canada
Mr Taz
talk
19:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
government section of the "Outline of the United Kingdom"
The Transhumanist
Talk:Her Majesty's Government
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10:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Lapafrax

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