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not based on that source. For #4, please state specifically and with positive evidence precisely why you question the "authenticity"; in your response please make explicitly clear what "authenticity" you are referring to - the "authenticity" of the micronation, the authenticity of the source, or
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which even refers to the website linked here as the subject's website. And if you think whatever is on google docs is peer reviewed rather than self-published, then you don't cite it on google docs, you cite the peer reviewed non-google-docs publication it appeared in.
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