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The "kai" spelling is a remnant of an outdated romanization system (wade-giles), much like the common "kung fu." While 'jie4' is a correct reading for the first character, it should be pronounced 'gai4' in this word. According to my dictionary, the
Cantonese pronunciation is much the same; thus, the
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The "kai" spelling is most likely not the result of a Wade-Giles spelling. While it's true that it would be spelled that way under Wade-Giles, the "kai" comes from the
Cantonese pronunciation (and W-G-like romanization, that is, "k" meaning unaspirated). The difference between "jie" (Mandarin) and
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I went ahead and moved the page because (1) gai lan is the only spelling I've seen before and (2) a Google search for "gai lan" turns up pages about the subject of this article, but a search for "kai lan" mostly yields results about the TV show "Ni Hao Kai-Lan".
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I agree with 74.68.152.245, who (months ago) demanded some justification for the comment that only the flowering parts of broccoli are commonly eaten. Certainly depends on the cook, the cuisine, and the diner, but some of us like the entire stalk. -- Jeff Saxe
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972:"kai/gai" (Cantonese) is due to a sound change that occurred in Mandarin. Also, all of the dictionaries that I have looked up have only "jiè" for the Mandarin pronunciation. As a result, I've removed the "gà ilán" spelling.
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I'm not sure gai lan is a common enough term (like kung fu, for instance) that it deserves to have a title with a non-pinyin romanization. IMHO this article should be under jielan if it is to be under a
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