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A+ work Abyrn! :) But the only one that is still fuzzy is this one: ”praising Brahne's passing and apology to Garnet as one of the series' most touching moments. They noted that it portrays a complex relationship” I think since you just named both the reviewer and the character duo you should say the
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Steiner: "Red Rose!? Could it be...Beatrix!?" Zidane: "Quite a woman, you fell in love with!" Steiner: "You're one to talk!" Dagger: "Wait a minute, Steiner! What did you mean by that!?" Zidane: "...Alright! Let's bust through!"
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473:Screen Rant
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251:Summary of
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236:Summary of
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163:video games
113:Video games
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1842:Pass/Fail
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657:Justin Yu
560:Smash Hit
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1458:Criteria
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1978:Abryn
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