606:: It is one of those quotes when, taken out of context, can be used to mean more than it seems. It is referred to also in Richard Gwyn's recent biography of John A. Macdonald (p. 319). Gwyn explains it as "(He meant by this that French Quebecers would no longer be able to intervene in the politics of English Ontarians.)" Gwyn doesn't deny that Brown was generally "anti-French-Canadian" and gives numerous examples of Brown's anti-French-Canadian stances. As the population of Canada West grew and surpassed the population of Canada East, Brown (and other Reformers) felt that the then current constitutional structure giving equal representation to each section of the province was 'unfair' (although there hadn't been complaints when it had worked to advantage Canada West before) as the French speaking representatives from Canada East often held a balance of power and could influence political decisions. This sense of being "controlled" by the French-Canadian element in the legislature really rankled Brown, whereas Macdonald seems to have simply accepted it as a fact of political life in Canada, and relied heavily on support from Canada East in order to govern. An earlier editorial in the
615:
Confederation had "extinguished" French
Canadians. Including the quote in the article without a heap of context might do the article a disservice. On the other hand, there should be some mention of George Brown's positions regarding the influence of French Canadians on the affairs of Canada West, as they were pertinent and are verifiable. The article as written is a bit too sweet on Brown, who was an important but complex figure who held some opinions (anti-Catholic; anti-French-influence) that should be discussed. The article also doesn't mention his wife, Anne, who has been called the "mother of Confederation". Gwyn notes her influence in toning down Brown's more extreme views after they met in 1862(p. 272) which allowed him to join the Macdonald-Cartier coalition, bringing his Reformer and Grit supporters into the mix. If they hadn't met and she hadn't persuaded him to stop ranting about 'French domination', Confederation might never have been possible.
645:
what Gwyn believes he meant, then it would be an unhappy injustice to him to use the quote to support an idea that he really didn't intend. (Not that he wasn't obviously anti-French-Canadian, which makes the whole thing the more confusing). As far as the double majority goes, wasn't part of the problem precisely that to get anything through one needed the 'double majority' of a majority of the members of the section affected AND a majority of the members overall? Perhaps I'm mistaken as my understanding of 'Canadian' politics of the era isn't profound. I did find this quote from a book by Jeremy Webber "Reimagining Canada": "Laws were often limited to one of the former colonies, and when enacted, were frequently submitted to a double majority (a majority of members of the legislature and of all members from constitutencies in the unit affected)" p. 203
630:
myself be convinced upon reading whatever evidence might be the cause of this conclusion. I must however admit that it seems unlikely to me... Why would he mean only
Ontario? The Province of Canada was then ruled based on the principle of the double majority which precisely prevented Quebecers from interfering in Ontarian affairs and vice versa. The new constitution was concerned with the whole of British North America, not just the former Canadas. It is true on the other hand that parties where intermingling and winning elections involved considering the public opinion of both provinces. This is where the annoying influence of the Catholic clergy might have come in. ;-) --
31:
227:
329:
402:
293:
381:
150:
412:
88:
64:
305:
217:
353:
182:
490:
22:
646:
98:
701:
If
Confederation hadn't happened, then the trend of Canada West electing more reformers might have occurred. In that case, there might have been a situation in which they could form a coalition with the Rouges. But as it was, he and Dorian didn't command enough of a majority to maintain a government.
629:
I did also read the passage where Gwyn claims that Brown meant that "French
Quebecers would no longer be able to intervene in the politics of English Ontarians". However, I do not know on what this assertion is founded. Maybe something else in his correspondence, but I cannot say. I am willing to let
765:
On
October 27, 1864, after the signing of the confederative pact, George Brown, founder of the Toronto Globe and one of the Fathers of the Confederation, wrote a note to his wife while packing his things before leaving for Toronto: "All right... Constitution adopted - a most creditable document - a
644:
I agree with you that Gwyn's assertion is given without a lot of back up. I suspect that if one read Brown's correspondence in its entirety, or combed through the newspapers of the era, a more precise meaning of the term 'French-Canadianism' might be discernible which would be helpfu. If he meant
527:
On
October 27, 1864, after the signing of the confederative pact, George Brown, founder of the Toronto Globe and one of the Fathers of the Confederation, wrote a note to his wife while packing his things before leaving for Toronto: "All right... Constitution adopted - a most creditable document - a
743:
The
Paragraph on the Quebec Conference doesn't make sense. The first sentence says "Brown argued strongly in favour of an elected Senate.", but later it says "He believed that Canada's system of government should adhere to the British 'mixed government' model where the appointed Senate could be a
652:
which would have been something that would have made
Protestant Brown very, very mad. Â : ). But as I am no expert on Brown or on politics of this era, I will look to see if I can find something more definitive. I do think the article may be a bit of puff piece as written and a more critical
614:
control, but also to satisfy "Quebec" as it would then have "a position of comparative independence". So it may be that Gwyn is correct in thinking that Brown's quote had more to do with getting
Ontario free of Quebec influence rather than thinking that it meant that he actually thought that
969:
648:
And I found this on the
Encyclopédie canadienne: "Au Parlement, les Canadiens français votent en faveur de projets de lois élargissant les droits des écoles catholiques subventionnées par l'État dans le Canada-Ouest."
964:
919:
164:
362:
200:
35:
914:
159:
74:
924:
899:
939:
273:
753:
Yeah, Brown was against electing the Senate (see: Careless)-- he basically thought that Upper Houses are elitist by nature and ought to be dignified, not effective.
999:
994:
889:
984:
959:
949:
904:
884:
468:
458:
343:
818:, who was born in Conn. The family was of scottish roots. How much truth is there in this article? I will post a link to the actual article shortly.
934:
929:
894:
283:
116:
989:
974:
766:
complete reform of all the excesses and injustice we have complained of: Is it not wonderful? French Canadianism entirely extinguished." --
528:
complete reform of all the excesses and injustice we have complained of: Is it not wonderful? French Canadianism entirely extinguished." --
524:
Can somebody validate this information and include it somewhere in this page? I feel that if I do it, I will be persecuted by Angelique.lol
120:
762:
Can somebody validate this information and include it somewhere in this page? I feel that if I do it, I will be persecuted by Angelique.
909:
610:(Brown's newspaper) had called for the division of the colony into its two parts, to benefit "Ontario" obviously, by detaching it from
434:
979:
124:
837:
Did I miss something? In the section about the grave of George Brown's wife, it says her grave also commemorates George Wilson. WTF?
744:
check on the democratically elected House of Commons." It looks to me like the first sentence is just wrong, but I'm no historian...
954:
944:
249:
115:, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Knowledge's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
501:
879:
111:
69:
814:
I have an article suggesting that George Brown was originially born in New Brunswick (Back Bay/Mascarene, NB). His father was
425:
386:
338:
318:
196:
192:
240:
187:
44:
781:
says he was only 6'4", so I have removed the height edit saying he was 6'7" until this can be reconciled or resolved.
680:
says he was only 6'4", so I have removed the height edit saying he was 6'7" until this can be reconciled or resolved.
650:
846:
815:
745:
510:
506:
50:
21:
730:
707:
635:
595:
865:
857:
827:
785:
757:
748:
733:
711:
684:
662:
639:
624:
599:
433:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
248:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
842:
819:
861:
754:
658:
620:
823:
590:
It would seem this quote is found to be interesting not only to francophone Quebecers... --
103:
417:
328:
767:
726:
703:
631:
591:
529:
310:
411:
401:
380:
149:
873:
838:
782:
681:
232:
654:
616:
292:
779:
678:
536:
PAC, George Brown Papers, George Brown to Anne Brown, 27 October, 1864. Cited in:
572:
564:
556:
548:
540:
489:
87:
63:
407:
300:
222:
216:
181:
93:
496:
806:
Why dont they mention that he was shot by a disgruntled worker and killed?
352:
430:
245:
970:
High-importance Political parties and politicians in Canada articles
123:. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
795:
Was it at all possibe for Brown to some way stay in government???
694:
Was it at all possibe for Brown to some way stay in government???
725:"George Brown did indeed die on may 10 1880 and NOT on may 9."
484:
15:
965:
C-Class Political parties and politicians in Canada articles
351:
327:
291:
148:
920:
Mid-importance biography (politics and government) articles
722:
Moved this comment by 24.235.58.152 from article to here:
739:
Was Brown in favour of an elected or appointed Senate ?
363:
WikiProject Political parties and politicians in Canada
495:
A fact from this article was featured on Knowledge's
915:
C-Class biography (politics and government) articles
429:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
244:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
8:
925:Politics and government work group articles
900:Knowledge level-5 vital articles in People
375:
176:
58:
856:I really do not know I'm doing research
653:examination of this gentleman is needed.
940:High-importance Canada-related articles
377:
178:
60:
19:
1000:Selected anniversaries (November 2023)
995:Selected anniversaries (November 2018)
791:Could Brown have stayed in government?
690:Could Brown have stayed in government?
160:the politics and government work group
7:
423:This article is within the scope of
238:This article is within the scope of
109:This article is within the scope of
852:What impacts did he have on canada?
49:It is of interest to the following
890:Knowledge vital articles in People
573:Federalism in Canada and Australia
14:
985:Low-importance politics articles
960:High-importance Toronto articles
950:High-importance Ontario articles
905:C-Class vital articles in People
885:Knowledge level-5 vital articles
488:
410:
400:
379:
303:
225:
215:
180:
96:
86:
62:
29:
20:
935:C-Class Canada-related articles
463:This article has been rated as
278:This article has been rated as
133:Knowledge:WikiProject Biography
930:WikiProject Biography articles
895:C-Class level-5 vital articles
832:
758:02:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
749:18:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
443:Knowledge:WikiProject Politics
136:Template:WikiProject Biography
1:
990:WikiProject Politics articles
712:01:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
600:01:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
446:Template:WikiProject Politics
437:and see a list of open tasks.
360:This article is supported by
336:This article is supported by
316:This article is supported by
252:and see a list of open tasks.
157:This article is supported by
975:All WikiProject Canada pages
734:00:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
541:The Transatlantic Persuasion
258:Knowledge:WikiProject Canada
121:contribute to the discussion
828:18:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
786:23:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
685:23:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
261:Template:WikiProject Canada
1016:
910:C-Class biography articles
847:03:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
718:Moved Comment from Aritcle
469:project's importance scale
284:project's importance scale
980:C-Class politics articles
866:21:46, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
580:The Road to Confederation
462:
395:
359:
335:
299:
277:
210:
156:
81:
57:
955:C-Class Toronto articles
945:C-Class Ontario articles
810:New Brunswick Connection
770:19:51, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
663:06:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
640:03:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
625:23:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
557:Dixie & the Dominion
532:19:51, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
264:Canada-related articles
75:Politics and Government
880:C-Class vital articles
565:Constitutional Odyssey
356:
332:
296:
153:
355:
331:
295:
152:
112:WikiProject Biography
36:level-5 vital article
833:Who's George Wilson?
426:WikiProject Politics
339:WikiProject Toronto
319:WikiProject Ontario
357:
333:
297:
241:WikiProject Canada
154:
139:biography articles
45:content assessment
517:
516:
511:November 29, 2023
507:November 29, 2018
483:
482:
479:
478:
475:
474:
449:politics articles
374:
373:
370:
369:
175:
174:
171:
170:
1007:
492:
485:
451:
450:
447:
444:
441:
420:
415:
414:
404:
397:
396:
391:
383:
376:
313:
308:
307:
306:
266:
265:
262:
259:
256:
235:
230:
229:
228:
219:
212:
211:
206:
203:
184:
177:
141:
140:
137:
134:
131:
117:join the project
106:
104:Biography portal
101:
100:
99:
90:
83:
82:
77:
66:
59:
42:
33:
32:
25:
24:
16:
1015:
1014:
1010:
1009:
1008:
1006:
1005:
1004:
870:
869:
854:
835:
812:
804:
793:
776:
741:
720:
692:
675:
522:
448:
445:
442:
439:
438:
418:Politics portal
416:
409:
389:
344:High-importance
309:
304:
302:
280:High-importance
263:
260:
257:
254:
253:
231:
226:
224:
205:High‑importance
204:
190:
138:
135:
132:
129:
128:
102:
97:
95:
72:
43:on Knowledge's
40:
30:
12:
11:
5:
1013:
1011:
1003:
1002:
997:
992:
987:
982:
977:
972:
967:
962:
957:
952:
947:
942:
937:
932:
927:
922:
917:
912:
907:
902:
897:
892:
887:
882:
872:
871:
853:
850:
834:
831:
811:
808:
803:
800:
792:
789:
775:
772:
746:216.23.136.226
740:
737:
719:
716:
715:
714:
691:
688:
674:
671:
670:
669:
668:
667:
666:
665:
603:
602:
588:
586:
583:
577:
569:
561:
553:
545:
537:
521:
518:
515:
514:
493:
481:
480:
477:
476:
473:
472:
465:Low-importance
461:
455:
454:
452:
435:the discussion
422:
421:
405:
393:
392:
390:Low‑importance
384:
372:
371:
368:
367:
358:
348:
347:
334:
324:
323:
315:
314:
311:Ontario portal
298:
288:
287:
276:
270:
269:
267:
250:the discussion
237:
236:
220:
208:
207:
185:
173:
172:
169:
168:
165:Mid-importance
155:
145:
144:
142:
108:
107:
91:
79:
78:
67:
55:
54:
48:
26:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1012:
1001:
998:
996:
993:
991:
988:
986:
983:
981:
978:
976:
973:
971:
968:
966:
963:
961:
958:
956:
953:
951:
948:
946:
943:
941:
938:
936:
933:
931:
928:
926:
923:
921:
918:
916:
913:
911:
908:
906:
903:
901:
898:
896:
893:
891:
888:
886:
883:
881:
878:
877:
875:
868:
867:
863:
859:
851:
849:
848:
844:
840:
839:Peter Jedicke
830:
829:
825:
821:
817:
809:
807:
801:
799:
796:
790:
788:
787:
784:
780:
773:
771:
769:
763:
760:
759:
756:
751:
750:
747:
738:
736:
735:
732:
728:
723:
717:
713:
709:
705:
700:
699:
698:
695:
689:
687:
686:
683:
679:
672:
664:
660:
656:
651:
647:
643:
642:
641:
637:
633:
628:
627:
626:
622:
618:
613:
609:
605:
604:
601:
597:
593:
589:
587:
584:
581:
578:
575:
574:
570:
567:
566:
562:
559:
558:
554:
551:
550:
549:The Lawmakers
546:
543:
542:
538:
535:
534:
533:
531:
525:
519:
512:
508:
504:
503:
498:
494:
491:
487:
486:
470:
466:
460:
457:
456:
453:
436:
432:
428:
427:
419:
413:
408:
406:
403:
399:
398:
394:
388:
385:
382:
378:
365:
364:
354:
350:
349:
345:
342:(assessed as
341:
340:
330:
326:
325:
321:
320:
312:
301:
294:
290:
289:
285:
281:
275:
272:
271:
268:
251:
247:
243:
242:
234:
233:Canada portal
223:
221:
218:
214:
213:
209:
202:
198:
194:
189:
186:
183:
179:
166:
163:(assessed as
162:
161:
151:
147:
146:
143:
126:
125:documentation
122:
118:
114:
113:
105:
94:
92:
89:
85:
84:
80:
76:
71:
68:
65:
61:
56:
52:
46:
38:
37:
27:
23:
18:
17:
855:
836:
813:
805:
797:
794:
777:
764:
761:
755:Stevecudmore
752:
742:
724:
721:
696:
693:
676:
611:
607:
579:
571:
563:
560:, p. 124-125
555:
547:
539:
526:
523:
500:
464:
424:
361:
337:
317:
279:
239:
158:
110:
51:WikiProjects
34:
505:section on
502:On this day
874:Categories
816:John Brown
778:This link
677:This link
768:Mathieugp
727:KenWalker
704:Ajraddatz
632:Mathieugp
592:Mathieugp
530:Mathieugp
497:Main Page
130:Biography
70:Biography
39:is rated
783:Fawcett5
682:Fawcett5
612:Canadien
582:, p. 182
576:, p. 145
552:, p. 321
544:, p. 381
440:Politics
431:politics
387:Politics
201:Politics
858:Popo1w3
655:Corlyon
617:Corlyon
568:, p. 33
520:Request
499:in the
467:on the
282:on the
197:Toronto
193:Ontario
41:C-class
820:Jhazon
774:Height
673:Height
255:Canada
246:Canada
188:Canada
47:scale.
802:Death
608:Globe
28:This
862:talk
843:talk
824:talk
731:Talk
708:talk
659:talk
636:talk
621:talk
596:talk
585:etc.
509:and
274:High
119:and
798:-G
702:--
697:-G
459:Low
876::
864:)
845:)
826:)
729:|
710:)
661:)
638:)
623:)
598:)
346:).
199:/
195:/
191::
167:).
73::
860:(
841:(
822:(
706:(
657:(
634:(
619:(
594:(
513:.
471:.
366:.
322:.
286:.
127:.
53::
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
