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William Tungi and his lawful heirs begotten by him in marriage and to their heirs begotten by them. And if there should be no lawful heir the King shall appoint his heir if the House of Nobles consent to it (the representatives of the people having no voice in the matter) and he shall be publicly declared heir to the Crown during the King's life. Should there be no heir to the Crown or successor who has been so publicly proclaimed the Prime Minister or in his absence the Cabinet ministers shall convoke the nobles of the Legislative Assembly (the representatives of the people having no voice in the matter) and when they meet the House of Nobles shall choose by ballot some one of the chiefs whom they wish to succeed as King. And he shall succeed as the first of a new dynasty and he and the heirs of his body born in marriage shall possess the Crown according to law. And in the event of there being none to succeed according to this law the Prime Minister or in his absence the Cabinet ministers shall again convoke the nobles of the Legislative Assembly in accordance with this law and they shall choose one to succeed to the Throne as the first of a new dynasty and so on according to
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Well, I think that children are only children and everyone deserves to be not discriminated. I don't think that children have to be legal or not legal, because these are only juridical fictions which have nothing to do with nature and reality. So, if this man has a daughter she IS his daughter and no
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I don't want to anger anyone,but why "George Tupou"?This is the western form of the name sof the two kings and it is not the main recognised in Tonga.As well as that his father is listed here as "Taufa'ahau Tupou IV" and I believe his son should be named under his full royal name "Taufa'ahau Tupou
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That there is a successor, yes its agreed...that hes alraeady monarch is NOT agreed and no sourced and
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source will come along shortly to tell us who the new monarch is. There's no urgency; both of you could just wait until the facts are known. But I, and many other editors, would prefer it if you both posted comments that were more civil, and more legible, than those above.
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As asked earlier in this discussion section, did George Tupou V automatically become King upon his fathers death (Sept.10), or only after he took his accession oath (Sept.11). If it's the former, then should his reign be
September 10th, 2006 - present?
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I did read about the outcome of this, but where for citation etc. I can't remember, so have just changed the text to "would" from "will" - but if anyone could fill out what actually happened that would clearly be much more useful than such tinkering.
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then: "the next in line assumes office" not automatically an dnot without a sourc. EG- LBJ assumed office after being sworn in and take an oath. Thats what an oath is for...and is there for this as well. Otherwise its OR and as AT says above
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Aren't you a litle jumpy?He is stil alive. PS:Sorry,ScottDavis,didn't mean to move you on puerpose,just reacting to Tauʻolunga is all.
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