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330: 249: 231: 449:. However, I think there is a clear primary in this case. The composer and musicologist are the subject of numerous scholarly works in a google books, google scholar, etc. with many entries in various music encyclopedias/general encyclopedias published in Italy/ academic works across more than a century of time. For example, here is a rather lengthy encyclopedia entry in Italian that is viewable without subscription access: 139: 77: 53: 22: 185: 167: 259: 87: 722:
Bot traffic isn't in the thousands for any page that I know of, the Sammarinese footballer played a big part in a historic game for them already. I'm fairly certain the page views are accurate. I don't anticipate the page will have that many page views for a long long time (if ever), but I reckon
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The composer page is 14 years old, and is therefore not getting traffic generated by bots. New pages often get high volumes of traffic because they appear in bot generated news feeds of page patrollers, and wikiprojects. It's normal to see a high volume of page traffic on pretty much any newly
490:– especially considering that the sources at the footballer's article don't even establish notability. It looks like the composer is subject to numerous articles solely devoted to him; I don't see any coverage close to that for the footballer. 515:, I'm not convinced that the composer has enough page views or long-term significance to be PRIMARY. I'm fairly confident the total pageviews for the footballer in one day will be close to the total the composer gets in a month.-- 625:(see url above) is Italy's equivalent reference work for that country, and given that both are Italians I would think we should give precedence to major Italian language reference works when determining PRIMARY significance. 541:. I am planning on taking it there once this discussion is closed regardless of the outcome unless some sources with significant coverage are added to that article. Currently, the article does not meet 704:
created page regardless of topic. I don't think you can get accurate data on comparative page viewing between these two topics until this article is at least a year old. I also note the skew towards
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Agree to disagree. Long-term significance is important, and so is page views. If you aren't clearly overwhelming in both, I generally don't think there's a PRIMARYTOPIC.
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I'd just like to point out that I find the accusation that the composer doesn't have longterm significance ridiculous. That's like saying someone with an entry in the
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target. I further note that disambiguation policy is not to create a dab until there are a minimum of three entries. There is no need for a dab page, just a hat note.
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lacks longterm significance. We generally have given precedence to UK articles in that reference work in PRIMARY discussions on UK people. The
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I didn't create the page, but quickly glanced through refs and think there is enough for an article. I can probably spruce it up tomorrow.
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The footballer is an obscure minor and recent sports figure. I think its clear based on the published literature that the composer is the
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Unfortunately it didn't occur to me until Aza24 raised the issue, and I don't want to be accused of
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If the footballer is not notable it may be better to send to AFD and put this on hold.
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he'll average more page views than the composer from here on out.
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Hat note would be enough.β€” 537:I'm not confident the footballer would survive an 831:Unknown-importance biography (musicians) articles 8: 294:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Classical music 336:It has been proposed in this section that 225: 161: 47: 19: 826:Stub-Class biography (musicians) articles 764: 190:This article is within the scope of the 796:have been notified of this discussion. 227: 163: 49: 708:bias in the argument being made here. 206:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Composers 122:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Biography 7: 856:WikiProject Classical music articles 622:Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani 297:Template:WikiProject Classical music 270:This article is within the scope of 98:This article is within the scope of 38:It is of interest to the following 14: 359:will list this discussion on the 616:Dictionary of National Biography 465:) 14:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 328: 257: 247: 229: 183: 165: 85: 75: 51: 20: 319:Requested move 6 September 2024 851:WikiProject Composers articles 841:WikiProject Biography articles 805:02:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC) 773:07:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC) 756:12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC) 609:. Best to let this play out. @ 481:02:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC) 209:Template:WikiProject Composers 125:Template:WikiProject Biography 1: 846:Stub-Class Composers articles 836:Musicians work group articles 821:Stub-Class biography articles 733:18:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 718:17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 695:03:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 678:05:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC) 649:18:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 635:17:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 597:17:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 577:17:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 563:17:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 525:17:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 506:15:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC) 146:This article is supported by 435:Giacomo Benvenuti (composer) 371:). 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