Talk:Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette/Archive 2

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of dates (and timelines). On examining the French article, I find it leaves much to be desired. In particular, its citations are not always relevant, and often lacking in references to cited text (which I have tagged accordingly). Nevertheless, the French article asserts that Lafayette was transferred from Wesel to Neisse, where he was held until 1795 and then moved to Olomouc, where he supposedly spent 5 years; his wife was apparently arrested twice - once in 1792 (released soon thereafter) and again in 1794 (to be released January 1795). Adrienne supposedly shared gaol time with her husband until his release (no date here).

336: 4704: 4500: 4235: 2857:--that is, someone who was not born a US citizen--from becoming President, but it also has a one-time provision that extends the definition of the phrase to everyone who was a US citizen when the Constitution was ratified; otherwise, neither Washington nor anyone else would've been eligible for the office! In other words, Lafayette was not only an American citizen, he was eligible for the Presidency; thus, he was a "natural born citizen" as much as any of the Founding Fathers. (By the way, for some reason many people believe that 1818:

the assembly to denounce the attempt as that of a weak-willed nation, Lafayette silenced him. "By what right do you dare accuse the nation of...want of perseverance in the emperor's interest?" he asked. "The nation has followed him on the fields of Italy, across the sands of Egypt and the plains of Germany, across the frozen deserts of Russia.... The nation has followed him in fifty battles, in his defeats and in his victories, and in doing so we have to mourn the blood of three million Frenchmen."

1325:(1774) at the urging of Noailles and Segur, he found relief in "two romances with celebrated beauties, in which my will played more of a role than my heart." "jealousy smashed the first one before it even started, and in the second, I was less interested in conquering her than triumphing over my rival" -- (1783) by comparison, the Lafayettes were staid: even puritan John Adams commented on their strict repudiation of card playing, gambling, latenight parties, and other fashionable amusements. 3742:. The main reason for the Bob Smith, Duke of X titling format is because multiple people were the Duke of X, so just calling them the Duke of X (as is often common in the time) isn't specific enough. I'm not aware of any vaguely notable Marquis de Lafayette other than, well, the Marquis de Lafayette, and practically nobody knows the Gilbert du Motier name. Agree that just "Lafayette" has something of an argument, but "Marquis de Lafayette" is better than the current title. So. 1518:)(Philippe Egalite) (Marat made gossip of her link between the political rivals) Gottschalk portrays Laf more as a Danceny than Valmont (i.e. more a passionate idealist, than a libertine). had affair for one year after his return before Cadiz expedition. her family was angry, made her break off, less because of scandal than her failure to maintain denialibility. she entered convent. lots of nuance in a little pamphlet. rewrote verbiage in article to reflect 5016:. How do people feel about this? If people want it included in the article, I'm prepared to accept that. Can we have a discussion? I'm prepared to accept things either way. The public certainly has a voice in this article and if it's clear this is what the public wants, I'll source it, possibly annotate it, and we go on. If people feel it should go, well, then I'd have that behind me when removing it. I started out opposed, but now I'm indifferent.-- 5529:"Extremists" is a subjective word. Extreme compared to what or to whom? A person who advocated for the abolition of slavery 200 years ago would have been called an "extremist." Suggest: "leaders," "other leaders," or "radical leaders." Danton was radical in comparison to the milieu at the time, but would have been considered a "moderate" during the period of the Committee of Public Safety under Robespierre (which had Danton and Desmoulins executed). 4094:

his force and go south to Virginia . . ." This leads the reader to believe that Cowpens is south of Virginia, which is not the case. I would suggest rewording the second sentence/paragraph to suggest Lafayette was coming from Philadelphia. For example: "After the Continental victory at the Battle of Cowpens in South Carolina in January 1781, Washington ordered Lafayette to re-form his force in Philadelphia and go south to Virginia . . ."

5448:, what is the problem? I have managed artworks in the Knowledge (XXG) before and know a bit on Commons. It meets the full criteria for a free license picture. It is attached to the wall permanently in Pasai Donibane (also called Pasajes), Basque Country, and therefore meets the criteria for exhibition. Is it a FA specific condition? What could ever compromise its showing in this article? Thanks 5370: 5239: 4656: 4450: 4185: 4062: 1792:

the will to stick with Napoleon after his latest defeat. Lafeyette emerged from the back row, much to the surprise of others, and gave a speech to the effect taht millions of french men had died for Napoleon, don't dare question France's will. It effectively ended the debate. I think it should be added here, if it is in fact true. What do you think, and is it true? Thanks for your time

2591:. She was held under house arrest, and then moved to Paris during the Terror, and transferred to many prisons in the city before being released. then sent Georges to US (he had been in hiding), then got the passport to join Gilbert. I agree the secondary sources are confused about his and her whereabouts, but now we have the primary source material (letters) to construct a timeline 3125: 1556:, the civilian population was stoning the troops (and in Paris, there may have been shots as well, although Buckman says there was one gunman, and his gun misfired - I gather citing Lafayette); the troops fired back and killed several people (I believe 20 is a very low estimate). Lafayette and Bailly tried to restrain the troops, not the mob. I have tagged accordingly. 2842:'s footnote transcript of the relevant portion of the newspaper article (thanks for that, by the way), along with the detailed discussion of Lafayette's US citizenship, into the article body; such detail does not belong in the summary. I also removed the commentary about the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" from Londonbroil's footnote; not only is it 1922:

the capital. Until he was eleven years old the boy saw her only a few months a year. He was mostly given to the care of his grandmother and his two aunts" (I believe this indicates paternal grandmother? Could be wrong; our current line is cited to a book I no longer have in my possession, however, that confirmed what we had...likely that book cited Gottschalk.)

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Brown delivered to him an address, to which Lafayette made an eloquent and appropriate answer. After an introduction to his Masonic brethren , he retired ...." Granted this is not a scholarly tome but an account of an event that people remembered. I expect a similar welcome occurred in other places. Is this in anyway controversial?

5345:" in the "Further reading" section an external link to your reflections page with the reproduction of the Exhibition Guide (as in this sentence)? That way, if that page is again deemed to be spam rather than providing description and context for the Exhibition Catalog mention, it can be reverted without removing the catalog. -- 5340:

I agree that your addition of the Exhibition Catalog in "Further reading" should not have been reverted. The "reflections by curator" link is a little more questionable, and seems to be what caused Justlettersandnumbers to consider your change to be spam. Why don't you re-add the exhibition catalog

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In the case of Lafayette the etymology goes back to middle French "la faillette"."La faille" means "the crack" and the "ette" ending indicates something small. So it is likely that the original families bearing that name originated in a place where there was a crack on a hillside or a small cave near

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It would be good if the article were to present an explanation of what the name "La Fayette" means, especially with so many things and places named after the Marquis. I have yet to find a source that is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia, but I did find an excellent explanation so I will post

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This set of sentences is VERY ambiguous: "Lafayette spent the first part of the winter of 1780–81 in Philadelphia . . ." and then, at the beginning of the next paragraph: "After the Continental victory at the Battle of Cowpens in South Carolina in January 1781, Washington ordered Lafayette to re-form

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The second paragraph of the Ancestry section states that "Members of his family were noted for a contempt for danger," and gives an anonymous source. The page cited does not make this fanciful claim, and, since the source is from 1825 - when books were more hagiography than scholarship - the sentence

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In fact, what the source says is that the marquis was vigorously against raising taxes while the king and his government were wasting it on "useless estates and gifts for courtiers". That is, he was chastising the king for wasting money that had been collected from the hard-working people of france,

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The section cited from Tuckerman page 198 previously said roughly, "... was opposed to new taxes and advocated cutting spending". This seemed a bit too close to the political slogans we hear nowadays, and in my curiosity about whether or not someone would actually put words in the marquis's mouth, I

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I wasn't entirely sure if the mention of Hamilton was relevent in the encyclopedic sense. I know his couragousness wasn't though and it seemed a little clunky and misplaced. If anyone, especially the editors doing the big overhaul, think it fits, please go ahead and add it back in a not so not NOPV

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let me just say since i wrote some of that, that the French version is the old one. i mentioned Magdeburg since there are letters in the LOC written by him there. (that i will get around to copying one of these days) The Prussians captured him at Rochefort, and then moved him around, (he was at all

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I have begun attempting to reconcile the version of events, again between the French and English versions, and have added a small paragraph on his captivity, sourced from the French article. I am slightly stuck for the moment, as it seems that there are some gross inconsistencies, especially in terms

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Unless the policy has changed, wikipedia uses American English for American articles, and British English for English articles, others that do not fall strictly within those group use whichever one was used first. I wouldn't say that this article is strictly American, and would not bother changing it

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I was recently reading an article about Washington and Lafeyette in the Smithsonian magazine. They told of a great speech made in retort to Napoleon's brother after the battle of Waterloo. Napoleon's brother was berating the Assembly/Parliament/congress (not my expert subject obviously) for lacking

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With respect to the use of the term "mob." A mob is a negative and subjective appellation. There is no wikipedia entry for Paris Mob or the Revolutionary Mob. The article indicates Danton and Marat were leaders of something that cannot be defined precisely and has no wikipedia definition. There is a

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Frania, what I meant was that the spellings were already American and then you came along and changed it without a discussion. I kinda felt like that was you imposing your viewpoint. That's what prompted my doing that. Also, being from Texas, I don't speak much French, us being by Mexico and all,

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The above men did not frequent Chavaniac; rather, he was raised by the women of the household. And, according to Gottschalk: "His mother left most of that task to his father's family, for she had a father and a grandfather of her own in Paris, and found it desirable to spend most of her widowhood in

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That's great work, Pohick. I'm reading Wright's description of the Honulstein affair; apparently the lady was disowned by the Duc de Chartres, and eventually wound up in a convent. It's all quite gossipy. Regardless, it's not quite in the mainstream. I believe it should be entered in the record, but

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and nowhere else. I eliminated the nickname field from the infobox to reduce temptation; the request by Zotronic is reasonable. I will happily abide by a community discussion on the point, but as you can see above, no one seems inclined to engage. I should note that although I have protected the

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I'm not entirely convinced that an article, which has evolved in British English, should suddenly be changed to US English. Indeed, Lafayette gained honorary US Citizenship, but in fact remained a French subject and died in France. Having said that, it's no big deal as all instances of non-American

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Several guardians were appointed to him; they did not take an active role in his upbringing. They were: great-grandfather the Comte de la Riviere and grandfather the marquis de la Riviere; "uncles" Nicolas de Bouille, Bishop of Autun, and the Abbe Murat ("his tuteurs"); and, Jean Gerard who was his

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at the end, which he didn't use with Adrienne. (which for me is more shocking than an alleged affair) the letter seems to show the family consternation of gossip without bitching. there seems to be a series of ladies gushing over Lafayette, giving him money etc. it's not clear to me how much was

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Just out of curiosity, did you read that book? I have not, but my understanding was that Gottschalk predicated this assertion upon a letter between Aglae de Hunolstein and Lafayette. I'd also thought Gottscalk's general description of Adrienne/Laf's marriage was of a happy one. I'm not arguing that

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Yes, and the continued to refuse it (specifically Marie-Antoinette) much later than that. I am convinced that he was, in fact, concerned with the Jacobins. I do, however, believe what you write is correct: he was essentially walking a "tight-rope" between the Assembly and the Queen; something which

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news. It should take me a few days...or, go ahead and edit (I don't mind edit conflicts). I was going to come to your talk page yesterday and mention what I was doing; I'd thought it'd be a good opportunity for the date thing. Perhaps we should mention that on the talk page for a few days to see if

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Excellent, thanks for your work. I suspect we agree; Lafayette had an awful lot of stuff named for him, some in his lifetime, and some later. The article covers some of that in text (mostly dealing with the 1824-25 visit), the see also should take stuff immediately relevant to Lafayette that for

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While reading this entry I noticed a difference concerning the names of the ship that Lafayette sailed on. According to French history he sailed on L'Hermione (not mentioned in the French entry), where as in the English version it states the name of his ship as "La Victoire". Can some one please

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To Leodmacleod: I'm not entirely sold on the American national hero to American editor argument. just looking at the article both in French and in English, and seeing their different emphases, it is clear that Lafayette was an important figure in France too. Incidentally, I am trying to spend some

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Lafayette returned to France in 1799 but stayed out of politics until 1815, when he was elected to the National Assembly in time to put the weight of his revolutionary-era credentials behind the call for Napoleon to abdicate after Waterloo. When the emperor's brother, Lucien Bonaparte, came before

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The gossips, putting two and two together, said that Lafa- yette had deserted her. His heart could not have been broken because he was often seen in the more sedate salons that he now frequented with yet another lady whom he had met even before he went to Spainl She was a sister of one of his

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French surnames often go back to a place where people or a family used to live. For instance the surname "Dumont" or "Lamont" meant that a family lived on a hill or a mountain. The "Lapierre" and "Delpierre" families originated from an area that was stony. "Delamare" lived near the sea or a mere,

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just pulling on the ball of string. some errors in that narrative, Rochefort is in Belgium (not Luxembourg, though close), passports were from Monroe, not Mr Parish, (wouldn't have been able to enter Hamburg without), but the movements are the clearest i've seen, now if i could just get the play

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going ahead with the change you could have left a word on the discussion page in order to give all of us a chance to debate your move. Also, please note that neither Confucius nor myself reverted you, so there does not seem to be any ruffled feathers; besides, wiki issues do not touch me deeply,

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Do you have the letter from Lafayette to the Comtesse? Should be addressed 27 March 1783. It apparently is "ambiguous", to steal the term. Marat is said to have accused him of destroying the Comte de Chartres/Orleans' "honour"; as Lafayette had been with his wife (perhaps he scoured her under the

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This new ministry will be purged (at any rate) of some of its members, but one great doubt exists whether it will not be driven off by the Jacobin faction. It is in contemplation to make a serious effort against that faction in favor of the Constitution, and M. de Lafayette will begin the attack.

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ok, i bit the bullet, and put some things in an article about her. she's notable given the Maurois biography. i will start to mine the letters, which have some gems. put family info there, one descendant is queen of Belgium. wish we had more french nobility; title links (like the english) that

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describes Lafayette's visit to that upriver town when on Wednesday September 14, 1824 "a deputation from Hiram Lodge, F.&A.M., invited and accompanied the General, his son and M.Levasseur to the lodge room in the hotel building, where he was received with Masonic honors, and the Rev.Dr. John

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was ineligible for the Presidency because he was born in Bermuda; some even go further and claim that Article Two was crafted by his political enemies to disqualify him. Hamilton could've been born on Mars; he was an American citizen when the constitution was ratified and thus eligible. Period.)

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Franco-American officers. She was even more beautiful than Madame de Hunolstein and, unlike poor Agla, was witty and intelligent. There was a kind of magic about Madame de Simiane; when one met her at a social gathering she was so charming, it was said, so ready to be pleased, that one felt

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That's the trouble with using primary sources. Morris is seeing things through the opaque medium of his own POV; as he would in America, he uses Jacobin for the mob, for middle-class radicals, and for middle-class centrists alike. (As a Federalist hysteric, he dislikes all of them; but they have

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I guess that sources has it that the General's attendence to at least American free masonry is undesputed. However, statements of eventual French membership should probably be framed according to such statements' uncertainty. Moreover, I suppose that his allegd masonic attendences could well be

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for some reason you have made it quite less subtle, which I think you meant nuanced. anyway, in the article, there is no mention of "the sheer amount of government malfeasance and corruption" surely you might interpret the expenditures described as thus, but we have no indication Lafayette did.

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I generally have no opinion regarding the use of dates. In this case, due to Lafayette's activities in Europe and the United States, an argument could be waged for either format. I support Pmanderson's proposal because Lafayette has strong national ties to the United States; and, I find it more

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I broke the sections up because we were actively working on the article; it makes it a little easier to edit, I think. I was not certain where to put the correspondence with Washington. The intention was to have a section that dealt with Laf's activities that were not directly related to either

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In June 1792, Lafayette left his troops, then engaged with the enemy, without permission of the Minister of War; he then threatened the Legislature by claiming to speak for the troops. (The failure of his mutiny in September suggests that he was wrong.) He was impeached for being AWOL and for

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holders of the title, not merely the most notable. At present we do not have such an article, but the space (currently a redirect to the most notbale holder) should be left for a list article on all title-holders. When created, the list artile would need a hatnote for the present redirect.

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to the "Further reading" section was reverted. What I added was the 201-page catalog for a major exhibition on Lafayette's farewell tour of America that included scholarly essays and was supported by a grant by the National Endowment for the Humanities. The publication included hundreds of

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That is the 1911 Britannica's take, but I think it's a minority view: the Jacobins were a small faction in the summer of 1792; the real issue was between the Legislative Assembly (and the Ministry), on one side, and the King on the other. Lafayette also felt this the chief issue, but as a

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i tend to agree with you, so let it stand, but it is a verifiable source, his federalist conservative POV is clearer than lafayette. the nuance tends to get lost in the emotional recollection, people see the jacobin threat earlier than they were (where did they come from)(who are those

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Looks that way; the rest of it is our editors, who have misunderstood the Britannica's half truths and PoV into outright falsehood. I think the Britannica is also correct in saying that Lafayette was made head of the National Guard by acclamation rather than by anybocy's appointment.

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The article neglects these significant periods in La Fayette's life. Currently it jumps from his birth straight to his American adventures! Where are they? Information on his education and early career is well documented; surprised nobody has bothered to include it in the man's bio!

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Why is this necessary? His Masonic membership is mentioned where relevant, which was mostly having to do with the Revolution and the 1824 visit. You can't take it away from the biographical section or how it is that he was given a commission by Congress and dozens weren't would go

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It's like taking a photo of a statue. It is a derivative work. So you need one copyright tag for the photo and one for the plaque. You need to show that the plaque is out of copyright. It is a work of art, and the artist or the one who hired them would hold the copyright until it

117:"Adrienne released" - "During the Terror (1793-4), Adrienne’s grand-mother, her mother and one of her sisters were guillotined; she owed her life to the American ambassador Gouverneur Morris" (from Cornell website) I believe it's also in the Morris bio, might be worth a mention 3828:

I found four brief mentions of Masonic membership: one when determining to go to America, one when arriving there, one when meeting Washington, and one re the laying monument cornerstones on his 1824 visit. This hardly appears enough to make a separate section. J.J.Nutt's 1891

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Taking their cue from Lafayette’s letters of bereavement and Anastasie’s biography of her mother: historians have interpreted Adrienne’s death as the culmination of a love story. After all, Adrienne's last words to Lafayette had been quite touching: “Je suis toute a

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view point without a debate! So let me go ahead and explain my reasoning, and we can all have a discussion. And, as I have but one point, it should be a short one. Frankly, as American, I find the use of British dialect and spelling in an article about a hero of

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Lazu, i notice you don't have a reference to the Unger biography, or the books of Lafayette letters. (or rather the Lafayette - Jefferson letters) I will make a trip to the reference room in the new year, and see what i can find. (i do blockquote subjects too much)

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to a title held by that individual, if others may have held the same title - but as far as I can tell, this one is much more notable. If moved I'd want some kind of hatnote or some other arrangement so that readers landing on this page could easily find his father

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I don't see how that differs from contemporary political thought (opposition to high taxes and and government waste). Although I am pretty sure more people today would view the French regime's expenditures with less favorable light, than their own governments.

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Yes, we agree on that. I've been preparing for a rewrite of the French section for the past month or so. I am in the process of doing that now. It should be enough on its way for another look, by then. Have a nice holiday, I'll see you on the flipside.

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The sources look fine. They mention that Lafayette did attempt to buy some property in hopes of converting slaves to free tenant holders. It is more about pipe dreams that didn't work out. A section about it might give the reader insight to the man.

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Well... I don't know about the rest of the world... but a lot of US cities have a Lafayette St. I swapped Williston Park for Hartford CT. to show some variety in States. Actually, New York City may not be a good example either... it actually has

2326:? Anyway, I am taking the responsibility for this because I believed that en:wikipedia in general was using British spelling, hence my switching *z* to *s* & *or* to *our*. I already had to concede "de La Fayette" against "de Lafayette" - 2303:, and, as he's more of a US than UK topic, yadda yadda. Look, I just wanted to make myself a little clearer, and not sound like some stident nut-job nationalist or something, mostly cause you seem alright. Anyway, happy editing mon ami. -- 2290:

Confusius, I'm sure he's very important to the French as well, but, as he made a name fighting the British and helping America, it just seemed more appropriate that his English language article be in the standard American dialect (and not

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rv. The image does not have proper licensing and would the article would not pass FAC with it there, accordingly I remove it. Please add required information such as the painter to the image page on commons and then re-add it to this

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Gottschalk does later confirm that it was, indeed, the paternal grandmother. When speaking of how Chavaniac came into the family: "Her beloved Chavaniac, upon the death of her son..." This appears to reference Laf's father's death at

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Not duplicate, at least; they could be united. One deals with what our subject did in France after Yorktown; the other with his (first) return visit to America. His correspondence with Washington could be moved from one to the other.

4291:, it says in the image description that its use as the flag of the Kingdom of France from 1815-1830 is contested. I corrected the template parameters in the article to Kingdom of France during the Bourbon restoration, but that uses 1391:

It is gayer to read of George Lafayette's return from America, and of the unexpected arrival of Lafayette's mysterious admirer, Madame de Simiane, who traveled night and day to see him, and for some time took up her abode with the

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yep, after america he was quite the hero, but wouldn't Adams and Jay have been all over the scandal, if true, i don't recall any letter references, i just looked at the first reel and there are 200 whew. (this strikes me like the

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His common name is not "Marquis of Lafayette" but just "Lafayette". I had heard of him, knew a little about him, but did not realise that he was a marquis. We already have a similar situation with several British people e.g.

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I also note that the whole paragraph has a cite to encyclopedia.com, but that the encyclopedia.com article does not support the paragraph. I believe that the paragraph needs better support, but that's a different discussion.

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ok went to LOC, read book, Gottschalk was very even handed (i don't believe he asserted that there was an affair) had a translation of the letter, French transcription, and photoplate of letter. typed translation of letter

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On 20 June 1791, a plot, dubbed the Flight to Varennes, almost allowed the king to escape from France. As leader of the National Guard, Lafayette had been responsible for the royal family's custody. He was thus blamed by

3543:. As for marquis titles, very few get their own articles. Why would a title automatically take priority over other meanings of a term? It is certainly not the most likely desired topic, at least not in this situation. 2317:

Leodmacleod, I thought you were from Scotland... and had a beef against the English! Now it turns out that you are from Texas. What chance do I have, me, a little Parisian, against the arguments of a cowboy? my

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I would like to see a sentence or two about Adrienne's regaining the family castles, property (some of them, Chauvinnac?) after release from prison, Lafayette was debilitated from prison, and she held it together

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Knowledge (XXG) is not the truth parachuted to Eartth? What? huh? By the way, I apologize if my reply was unecessarily verbose; I was working through the confusing lineage myself in order to verify our accuracy.

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priest was not actively involved. I'm also going to cut the Plutarch & Livy; I'm concerned that it is intended to paint Lafayette as Mr. Morality. Let's let his actions influence reader's judgment. Regards,

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is mentioned with a link to ship article, this could be trivia - though good DYK (i do hope it's not a homework question) - and please TenJed if you're going to make a question, please sign using the 4 tildes.

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As second reference, maybe, but not on first reference. Just because he's recognizable without first name doesn't mean we omit it or title, when that is how someone is commonly known on first reference, e.g.

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The article states that there is a Lafayette Avenue in Brooklyn but fails to mention that there is a LaFayette Avenue also in the Bronx's Throggs Neck section. I grew up a half block away from that avenue.

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hmm cornell "Excerpt from an early manuscript of Lafayette's Memoires alluding to several love affairs. That paragraph has been scratched out in the manuscript and does not appear in the published version."

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uncle's death he became, essentially, a rich man (to-be, rather). It was then that mum was presented at the court and decision was made to take country-bumpkin Lafayette away from Chavaniac and to the big

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Plan de la retraite de Barren Hill en Pennsylvanie ou un detachment de deux mille deux cent hommes sour le Genl LaFayette sois ensource j l'Armee Anglois source le Genl Howe, Clinton, Gram le 28 may 1778.

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He probably wants to add information about Lafayette's opinions on slavery in general, rather than his opinions on slavery in the US in particular. France had questions about slavery at the time as well.

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Do you think these sources would be reliable if I am looking to add a section on Lafayette's opinion on slavery? If you have any other references you think would be useful please let me know. Thank you!

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according to this article, the marquisate existed before Gilbert du Motier, since his father held the title as well. So there seems to be a missing article on the title and exactly when it was raised.

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Revolution to be insulting and little bit condesending. So, I changed it. I'm sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I was just trying to "be bold" as per wiki's guide, but perhaps I went too far. --

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There are other references that give an explanation that Lafayette means "little fairy". It might be best to present both versions, and then give qualifiers regarding the level of veracity of both.--

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Sure, I agree. I know the inconsistency could mean that one, other, or both are incorrect. I was thinking that we should therefore seek out the real date and correct the errors wherever they may lie.

1935:: Gottschalk refers to grandmum as Mme de Lafayette, not Mme de Chavaniac as we do); their names were: Marguerite-Madeline & Louis-Charlotte de Chavaniac (merely a coincedence, that Chavaniac). 1846:

this is the article discussion: "He had been a member of the Chamber of Deputies from Seine-et-Marne since 1815 and had pursued the abdication of Napoleon". could be added to about the 100 days.

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Ok, this is likely way too long of a response, but I believe it clears up the inconsistency. We could likely order our paragraph better; to indicate his mother's actions before she died. Kindly,

1914:"when he was four years old the death of his maternal uncle made him the heir also to that vast La Riviere fortune...That was a fortune few among the court nobility would ever be able to enjoy." 830:

The Jacobins then tried and executed the Girondins chiefly for cooperating with Lafayette; but the claims of the Revolutionary Tribunal are not generally regarded as a reliable source. (But cf.

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Aside from France & the United States, what other country/countries would have a reason to honour La Fayette? There might a few streets named after him in Quebec, but certainly not in...

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Ha, that's too kind. In fact, I wrote much of the content; however, an editor with whom I collaborate often came behind me to clean the prose. It is him who is responsible for the flow/prose.

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little else in common.) We use Jacobin only for a particular flavor of middle-class intellectual: those who followed Robespierre and Danton in staying in the Jacobin club after it divided.

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Now that you made your point, there does not seem to be any argument against having this article in American English & our time should be put to better use clarifying facts & dates.

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The Bourbon brought back the white flag of the Ancien Régime, and the tricolour came back in 1830 with the constitutional monarchy. That is the whole point of paintings such as Delacroix'

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Do we have any examples of streets named after him that are not in the USA or in France? Right now it's saying more or less "Streets have his name in two different parts of the same city"

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well i didn't see any letter from Laf to Comtesse, in the index of numbered series of papers, (only 43 reels) (dosn't mean it ain't there) i could search the 5 reels in the time period

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wikipedia entry for "Sans-Cullotes" of which it can be fairly said that Marat was a (not the) leader of the Parisan Sans-Cullottes (among other groups such as readers of his journal).

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Unprotecting the article would only result in renewed edit-warring. Promoting this nickname from "in popular culture" to the infobox will require talk page consensus and most likely a

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Please see the above sections. As I understand it, the article is protected because people keep adding "America's Favorite Fighting Frenchman", which is what he is called in the play

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suggests that "Marquis de Lafayette" is vastly more common than any version of the name that includes "Gilbert du Motier." Contemporaries also used the proposed form, as you can see

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constitutional monarchist, felt he had to support the King. The Royal Family refused his service, because he had been consitutional, rather than an out-and-out monarchist, in 1789.

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This is not a debate about the subject, these are non-neutral appellations which violate the rule. The suggested edits are minor. Please rectify these violations. Thank you.

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Thanks for pointing that out. I added a paragraph about Lafayette Escadrille to that article and removed everything in the "See also" that is in that article. I also removed

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those forts, Wessel, Neisse, Magdebourg) finally turning him over to the Austrians (Olmutz), when the heat grew, Americans who traded with Hamburg). check out my version at

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You have known me; you have loved me in every respect .... All that you are, all that I owe you, justifies my love and nothing, not even you, would keep me from adoring you

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The most scholarly source on Lafayette in English would appear to be Gottschalk's four volumes (not just one); unfortunately he died before getting further than October 1789.

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My guess is that "good" was used instead of "could" because of its phonetic similarity. To fix that problem and two other nearby issues, I replaced that phrase with edit

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I guess what I'm wondering is why is it needed? Lafayette never lived in the US and we do mention that he urged emancipation on Washington, who wasn't that interested.--

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the blazon is "gules, a bordure vair, a bend or" On the shield a marquis's coronet, below the shield the order of St. Louis. I am not sure where this would go. source:

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was a reporter of the times, is Laf more like Jefferson than Washington? (see also chateaubriand quote) yes i put more of the family stuff at Adrienne, good lead into

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to be in anything other than British English. I myself have enforced the use of British English on articles concerning UK subjects, like On the Origin of Species and

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i am kinda dissatified with the verbiage, but will take enough notes from gottschalk to rewrite, (i.e. no evidence what Adrienne knew; do justice to gottschalk nuance)

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Lazu: No apology necessary. This is a discussion page, so *verbosity* should be welcome! You were simply thinking out loud, wikipedially speaking. Cordialement!

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should indicate both the actual publication date, 1935, and the date of the edition cited. There are several ways to do this, including "Gottschalk, Louis R. (1935),

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If you can find a source that satisfies everyone, I will be happy to polish the prose. It might be best to put it as a footnote, but I could see it either way.--

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This article contains none of the three or four names of Lafayette's mistresses; since the first has a whole book written about her effect on Lafayette's carrer (

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Someone had added the description "America's Favourite Fighting Frenchman" to the Wikidata entry; it was showing up on mobile. I removed it from there, FYI.

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illustrations. This was a joint publication by the Queens Museum (New York City) and the University Press of New England, with a print run of five thousand.

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on the bottom of the page of most people with hereditary titles there is a table. why does Lafayette not have one? also, does anyone have his Coat of Arms?

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article in the past, another admin has put on the present protection; I had removed the protection I had laid on it when you earlier requested it. So. To

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The infobox shows the tricolor flag for the Kingdom of France during the Bourbon restoration, but it did not use that. It brought back the fleur-de-lys.

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Oui, des cacahuetes... et il y peut en avoir plein de ce genre de traders dans les banques americaines dont ses pertes sont cachées dans les 'sub-prime'.

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1933 book on order, (or rather will have to go to LOC) it will take a while to find the letter, 'til then, what you have is more than i would have done.

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His honorary citizenship was separate from his actual citizenship. It would be like getting and honorary degree and a real degree from the same school.

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It's all so saucy; almost thinly veiled eroticism. I'm reminded of the modern TV show "Gossip Girl", with these lurid descriptions of supposed affairs.

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not given undue weight. By the way, thank you for writing Madame de Lafayette; since we have that article we'll be better able to seperate the lives.

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This is, as I expected, quite a bit more subtle than the tiresome slogan of "lower taxes and cut spending" we hear about constantly these days.

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text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of

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My favorite line is: "She was even more beautiful than Madame de Hunolstein and, unlike poor Aglae, was witty and intelligent." *SNAP* 1-2-3.

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Sources variously say "appointed", "acclaimed", "made the popular choice", and "declared"; but, from what I can tell, he was not appointed.

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in "Further reading", without the "reflections" in "External links" this time? Then, as a second, independent edit, simply make the text "

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is supposed to be the title article here, but it does not tell you much of anything. Even in terms of British dukedoms, there is already a

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It was even said that Aglaé had become thoroughly promiscuous and at night went scouting for lovers in the dark arcades of the Palais Royal

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While a royal veto did become questionable when it became clear how Louis was likely to use it, it was part of the constitution as enacted.

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A section might be much. A paragraph or two, dealing with the (as I recall) French Guiana scheme and his views, would be very welcome.--

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Lazu: J'ai lu environ la moitié de l'article et corrigé des petits trucs, rien de très important. Une phrase me gêne dans son enfance:

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you might want to check the painting of the image you reverted to. fix the metadata and licenses, rather than venting in edit summary.

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This is post clumsy-dancer-Laf: whom the Queen laughed at. He was, according to our gossip columnist, quite a social disaster pre-USA.

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I am not sure that's exactly what the original editor intended, but it seems plausible, and the sentence now makes grammatical sense.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20090224132905/http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~library/special/marquis/MarquisFindAids/manuscriptcollection.htm

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To Ohconfucius & Lazu: I have begun to read La Fayette/Lafayette's article & here is what I left on Lazu's talk page earlier:

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

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They have an article would be the other criterion. If the list gets too big for "See also", it could be its own section or article.

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concentrated to under a single heading, perhaps along with sourced membership of other organisations? What do you think about that?

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Lafayette found that the Continental Congress did not have the money for his voyage; hence he paid for the ship La Victoire himself

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Among the major errors and dishonesties of the present text, which reads like the product of an illiterate and bigoted royalist:

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for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Knowledge (XXG) takes copyright violations very seriously.

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Any reason people accepted these anonymous edits over the last month or so? Their consequences are in the article as it stands.

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C'est donc son arrière-grand-père, le comte de La Rivière, ancien lieutenant général des Armées du Roi qui s'occupera de lui.

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Pohick, hmmm...did you see the bits I added about his relationships? How do you think we should fit this information into it?

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i agree, and also because of Connecticut, all the family too; they all got passports. made a note on your article talk page.

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I agree. Adrienne's work on behalf of the family was remarkable. I'll add a line or two tomorrow if you don't beat me to it.

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I agree with Confucius and also believe that Leodmacleod could have discussed the change with others working on the article

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but it isn't it doesn't cover the marquis title, only the descendants of Gilbert, who changed their surname to La Fayette.

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I won't have time or resources until after Christmas even for copyediting, and the French sections really need rewriting.

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Please add "America's Favorite Fighting Frenchman" to his nicknames, because that is what he is called in the modern age.

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should be expunged, along with the questionable citation. The sentences immediately after this are fine and should remain

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better yet, find the letter in the Library of Congress (went there yesterday) Adrienne's handwriting is small - check out

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we should not include assertions of the affairs; but it should be stated that it is nothing more than that: an assertion.

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The above discussion is whether, in an article on an American citizen, it would be appropriate to restore the date format

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another (i know this mcjoynt fellow) has some good stuff, maps of barren hill and virginia campaign, hmm too much detail

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during the French Revolution, who was the father of Louis-Philippe. So there is quite a link with French royal family.

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What in the world were you guys talking about while I was away? Way too much fun and joking around here.... au travail

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Good reply, thanks. Just spotted that his father died on 1 August 1759, but the french version says 9 juillet 1759...

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imposing his point of view, as such a change is debatable and, whether we like it or not, we are left in front of the

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As an aside, regardless of the events sensationalism: it has been included in the article (although as an assertion).

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it here, and hopefully someone will be able to get this info up to the standard where we can add it to the article:

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and I am not sure if that is the correct flag. I think to get a change to the template you need to bring this up at

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Interesting stuff, but I'd rather stick to the printed sources - this appears to be a personal website, which fails

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Declined. That has nothing to do with Lafayette the person, but a representation of him on the stage. Thank you.--

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should lead to an article other than this one? Quite frankly, I think that would confuse a lot of readers. (Over

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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good (i realize the more detail, the greater the length) but it does make the narrative more accurate, nuanced.

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i added the verbiage about the capture based on his notes, however check out the French website with pictures:

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I look forward to seeing what Lazulilasher does with this after he does some research; it is hopeless without.

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i believe it is both, depending on the crossing, some confusion may have crept in, i will review the sources.

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are the After the Revolution; Return to France and visit to America sections duplicate? should they be merged?

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What is this event? A (bad) joke? (it figured in the list of battles but I had no idea of how to delete it)

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This is my fault; I'd thought that we'd mentioned that the crowd was stoning the troops. I'm rewording now.

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I won't remove it, but there's an awful lot of stuff named for Lafayette, if that's your sole criterion.--

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king of the French as Mlle de Penthièvre had married the duc de Chartres, later to become duc d'Orléans,

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Revolution. They could likely be merged; again, I think I split them out to make editing a bit easier.

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I've had to revert another "America's Favorite Fighting Frenchman", which is how he is referred to in

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Oui, il doit y en avoir plein et les mauvaises surprises vont nous tomber dessus! Now back to work!

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Well, I think much of the problem was that the French section was largely based on 1911 Brittanica.

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To which crossing are you referring? He sailed to the Americas numerous times throughout his life.

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Lafayette's campaign of 1792, which had limited success, should be included; so should the role of

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Do you have information that "America's Favorite Fighting Frenchman" was used outside the musical

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Well. I have added a perspective on it in the Assessment section. Feel free to further elaborate.

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if included i would caveat it, is this the same Laf who got laughed at, when he couldn't dance?

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that could be used as an added source & reference. I bet you it is filled with treasures.

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when you read the Morris diary, he's pretty free with the Jacobin talk throughout this period.

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time understanding how these articles could be homogenised, hopefully to the benefit of both.

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i agree, however, it is notable his father was killed in action, seems like a family trait.

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i agree, however, this could make a good research paper, i've seen worse excuses for a book

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as an act of self-defense by the Ohio National Guard. In both cases, the view is verifiably

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to American English, but if it is already, then I don't see any reason to change it back.

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and subsequently the entire cargo, i added the notes of his annual income of over 100,000

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America's Favorite Fighting Frenchman to Lafayette's description. From musical 'Hamilton'

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he was educated by Abbé Fayon, beginning at age 7; the Abbé replaced another priest. The

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I have seen the impeachment result, variously, as: two-thirds and "decisively" against.

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Add another nickname to Lafayette, and make one called "America's Favorite FrenchMan."

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I discuss my changes to the article on Lafayette's honorary US citizenship over at the

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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with

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I would suggest the tricolor, as Lafayette is closely associated with the creation.--

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read it? I have not, but it sounds as a good source to be used/added to LF article):

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like Danton for the near-escape and called a traitor to the people by Robespierre."

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likely that a student would be assigned reading about Lafayette from that country.

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From what I understand, Lafayette was concerned about the Jacobin's growing power.

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OK, but can we unlock the article to find out if that is still the case, please?

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existing view; but we should not endorse it in Knowledge (XXG)'s voice. Like the

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Here's another juicy tidbit about our saucy temptress, the Comtesse d'Honulstein:

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If the article's semi-protection has not been lifted yet, I propose it does so.

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be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original

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sedition, and IIRC the vote on the impeachment was much closer than two to one.

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http://www.chapitre.com/CHAPITRE/fr/BOOK/castries-duc-de/la-fayette,162824.aspx

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Recommend a reference to the Lafayette Escadrille of World War I be included:

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He was educated by his aunt and two priests, Curé de Saint-Roch de Chavaniac.

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naw you write better than me - here's a link to the musee lafayette chauvinac

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Until spellings were formalised, they were approximate, hence the variations.

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In the "Beliefs" section, there was a non-grammatical phrase, introduced by

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Am also confused as to which grandparents raised him, paternal or maternal.

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http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/lafayette/exhibition/english/abolitionist/

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Done! Sorry about the protection, we are dealing with a large number of

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a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement

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To Ohconfucius: LF, who was extremely wealthy, did buy the sailing ship

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There are the two priests, then Curé de Saint-Roch. Would not that make

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here; so that it may be edited without disturbing the original document.

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I added a bit more, take a look and let me know what you think. Regards,

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i agree, Hamilton was a subordinate who led the assault as mentioned at

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Pohick, thank you for sharing this with us - quite a job you are doing.

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some reason wasn't used in the text, and the Honors article the rest.--

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It is unsigned but in the Lafayette's unmistakable handwriting. (p.100)

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I agree. It doesn't add too much length and provides a nuanced detail.

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He stood for mayor of Paris in the fall of 1791, and was defeated by

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https://rare.library.cornell.edu/collections/europe/france/lafayette

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal.

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and that it was immoral or unethical to piss it away on nonsense.

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http://www.eix.be/rochefort/histoire/rumeur/lafayette/lafayette.html

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should only be used, if at all, for completely unproblematic cases.

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ok went to loc; got sequence of letters by Laf at various prisons:

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Agreed. I can cite 'George Washington's World' by Genevive Foster.

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https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071022220217AArxpnO

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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on fr:wiki or any other wiki. As you know, Knowledge (XXG) is not

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Hello, can you add "The Hero of the Two Worlds" under nicknames?

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Article Two of the US Constitution prohibits anyone who is not a

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ok this source has a narrative of the prisoners movements (1883)

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maybe we should write her to ask for the reference- Burton, p.15

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point out to me a confirmed source in English for verification?

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Confucius: In order to correct inconsistencies, we cannot rely

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i'm surprised the the de la fayette peerage is not there unlike

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btw here's an external link, might have some stuff of interest

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https://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/marquis-de-lafayette

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I suppose both loyalties should be chronoligically indicated?

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Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette → Marquis de Lafayette

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Leodmacleod: Speaking for myself, I was not trying to impose

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Perhaps the French version intends to indicate that, upon his

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How sordid! I love how the snarks drip from the author's pen!

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Does anyone have an opinion on this? Should I start a RfC?--

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one of the maps of barren hill is LOC so should be available

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spelling appear to have been changed, so I won't revert it.

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Histoire Faits et divers Ragots, rumeurs, cancans et potins

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Lafayette's memoirs have nothing; but Gottschalk says this:

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Her disappearance caused only a minor ripple of interest.

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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Newburgh: Her Institution, Industries and Leading Citizens

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cited in 2002 reprint, ". This is one of many reasons why

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was observed as particularly dangerous by contemporaries.

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as it has a link in the text. That leave the portals and

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his name is so long, I tried to understand it by reading

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http://fr.wikipedia.org/Ren%C3%A9_de_La_Croix_de_Castries

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

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Added to the see also with other stuff named after him.

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Compared to your Madoff, our Kerviel is a tiny peanut!

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les américains ne gagnent point tout: nous avons gagné

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Actually, since you say it is in Spain, and Spain has

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I don't really see why you would go ahead and impose

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added a sub-section Hundred Days with sourced quote.

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this is true, but will require a reading of the book

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As it stands: I think this portion is misleading. In

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Lafayette Streets (and at least one Lafayette Ave.)

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ah! ces Amerloques, il faut toujours qu'ils gagnent!

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http://www.friendsoflafayette.org/data/genlaff.html

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