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British working class/lower middle class culture, unusual in the rest of the world, and contrary to the instructions of all the major distilleries, which recommend the use of lime. Please stop pushing your personal point of view - Knowledge (XXG) is an encyclopaedia, not a handbook of your life, or anyone else's. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. Also, please observe the accepted Knowledge (XXG) practice of placing new comments at the bottom of a section, not randomly in the middle. Thank you.
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distillers. I have searched for a gin distiller who recommends lemon as a garnish, but have found none. For an exception to be marked in the info box it really does need more weight behind it than the unusual practice of a single nation; particularly as, even in the UK, it is very much a "pub" practice - in any of the best hotels of London or the gentlemen's Clubs, you will be given lime, not lemon. The partial UK practice is fully and unambiguously reported in the appropriate section of the article.
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cheap minibar on a riverboat dinner cruise (roughly, I would imagine, the quality of drink one would expect from a diner at 2 am). This tells me that in the US, you'll get a lime. Although to be fair, my experience is limited to New York, Connecticut and Rhode Island. Still, I'd bet nobody would make you a gin & tonic with a lemon in the US. Beyond that, as a personal opinion/recommendation, go with the lime.
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I've removed a link to the "gin and tonic society" page. The site requires registration and "acceptance" before anyone can see whatever information is in there. I'm sure that whatever factual information is available there can be found elsewhere on the web without having to go through the rigamarole
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It is a curious fact, and one to which no one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85% of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonnyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand or more
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I don't have all the details, nor am I very experienced at writing wiki entries, but I would like to see added to this article that there is an episode of Curb Your
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I agree with the above user views on the prevalence of lime as a a garnish and whilst the info box should not been changed. However I have added to the section on garnishes a link and a little accompanying text about the debate. I have referenced a New York Time article that address the debate and
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I've added Lemon again in the intro as this is what i usually get when ordering a G&T instead of Lime. Allthough a quick round on google reveals recipes mostly only list a wedge of lime as garnish, in reality (read in bars, both in western europe and asia) usually a wedge of lemon is served. My
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You are correct in assuming that there isn't enough quinine in modern Indian Tonic Water to be effective against malaria. The original recipe was far less satisfying to the human palette, leading one to believe that the original gin and tonic wasn't nearly as good as the modern day representation.
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I do not think the HHGG quote should be included. It only distracts from the gin and tonic entry. There are likely thousands of literary works that include descriptions of gin and tonic. To include any or all of them is irrelevant. At most, a short list of examples without quotes would demonstrate
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A proper gin and tonic, in my opinion, shouldn't be contaminated with any fruit. It contains gin, tonic water, and (at most) a small number of ice cubes. -- But if you have to have it, it's usually and preferably lemon. Not sure I've ever seen one with lime. I'm from
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Firstly, it is not a British drink - you can get one almost anywhere in the world. Secondly, in Britain they serve it with lime in all smart establishments, from gentlemen's clubs to west end hotels. You are correct that in British pub culture lemon is commonly used, but it has been pointed out to
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With reference to the anonymous change to the infobox today (which I have reverted) it is demonstrable from the sources that lime is the historical garnish, and still the virtually universal garnish outside the UK. It is equally demonstrable that lime is the garnish recommended by all the major
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Some months ago I addressed this issue by introducing a new section, entitled "garnish", which makes clear the fact that gin companies recommend lime as the garnish, but also reflects the fact that in the UK lemon has become a more common garnish in many pubs and bars. Today an anonymous editor
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I read an article (not very reputable, a carriers in-flight magazine) about the original 'Gin and Tonic' being served with lemon and not lime! Are there any researchers with really old (and reliable) cocktail books out there who could clarify the situation? (The fact that the British are called
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I don't think it's at all established that lemon is a UK peculiarity. In Australia, I've never seen lime in a G&T — it's always lemon. And when I have ordered G&T in Spain, it came garnished with lemon. Perhaps lime is a US thing, and lemon is more universal elsewhere.
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