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Television article—was reverted to a redirect. I would argue that most network articles do fit all cited guideline criteria, as long as a reasonable amount of adequate sourcing from press releases and reliable (fairly to strongly) secondary reporting (via television websites, newspapers/news websites, etc.) is included.
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