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Lettrist International, which alienated Isou by publishing attacks on Charlie Chaplin and disrupting Easter mass at Notre Dame. The SI was formed from members of the LI, not the LM. The artist Asger Jorn, who largely funded the SI, should be mentioned - as well as Debord's two wives, both gifted writers, Michelle Bernstein and Alice Becker Ho.
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Okay, I took out the POV characterisation of his later writings, and the unsupported diagnosis of alcoholism and made the last sentences more neutral. He was far too busy in the 1970s and 1980s for him to be regarded as in "isolation" without any qualification. I linked to a site which has a good
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It's a wild over-statement to suggest the SI was a major catalyst for May 68. What is correct is that SI slogans and pamphlets were passed around, and Debord entered the occupied Sorbonne to participate in directing the protests. The claim that his later work was "pessimistic" is inadequate - all
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Debord was only one of the founders of the SI, and he wasn't really a theorist although he had a beautifully mannered writing style. A t a theoretical level I would argue that Kotanyi was much more significant although he published little - Debord had all the neccessary alnguage skills that Kotanyi
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If you are going to change my general statements about Debord, you should back up your claims. "Alienation is more than a feeling." Says who? About what? "They invented new ones" - which ones, what are they? Claims that Debord got something right or worng are subjective opinions, not objective or
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I just read the article, and it's full of problems. It is anachronistic to suggest the Lettrists were 'proto-punks' - they were a typical European avant-garde art group. The founder, Isidore Isou, needs to be mentioned. Isou founded the Lettrist Movement. Debord led a breakaway group, the
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He definitely was an alcoholic, though. Perhaps not in any diagnosed sense of involuntary addiction, but in the vernacular sense, certainly. He's quite candid and nonchalantly romantic about it in Panegyric, and cites drinking as both a formative experience and creative
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I think we could do with some stuff on his alleged role in the Lebovici murder. I'm aware that the allegations don't stand up for a second, but they were made and are still repeated. Could serve to help set the record straight, if nothing
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His political theory needs to be stated precisely. The spectacle is what the commodity has become in the period of late capitalism. The creation of situations, the derive and detournement are strategies to combat the spectacle.
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Altho Debord bases his theories on one or two elements of Marx, is there any reason to say he was a marxist? He is not generally referred to as such in France, and the usual sense would be "supporter of the theories of
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It seems to be some obscure exercise in which the LI briefly indulged; I'd argue delete from the first sentence because it's just not notable. No biography of Debord (in English, anyway) mentions it.
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When did he die? Where? How? Strange that this is left off. On the page about the book (Society of the Spectacle) it is mentioned that he committed suicide.05:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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To me the term sounds like a Lettrist solecism, which Debord wouldn't have liked applied to him. I think the SI and LI terminology should be confined to their respective articles.
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It was also coded into a video game. I have it on my Mac here. Alice Becker Ho brought an injunction against its distribution.. I gotta update the article with this info..
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his work is garbed in melancholy and nostalgia, and yet at the same time he never gives up on revolutionary change - unlike, for example, his contemporary Baudrillard.
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Another thing I am interested in is the way Debord's esotericism suggests links with the occult, which the LPA seem to believe he had. Look at this from Panegyric I:
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in response to this, yes, Paris in his earlier life. I've tried reorganising, but there may be a better solution. More detail on his life is obviously needed
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AFAIK the Rule of the Temple is a document of the Knights Templar and has some kind of Masonic significance. Then he goes on to say:
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suggested Debord was an agent of the Mossad. Interesting considering Lebovici was powerful and Jewish and seemed to finance Debord.
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absolutely agree with this: It's a wild over-statement to suggest the SI was a major catalyst for May 68.
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Never heard of Guy Debord beeing a "hypergraphist". Sources or references are greatly needed.
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This occultism stuff may be interesting, but the article needs to get the basics right first.
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That's breathtaking: Not one word about where on this whole wide world he lived! --
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Just shaking it out of my sleeve, or what? In this field, I'm a
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What's the source of the claim Debord was a "hypergraphist"?
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yeah, a Marxist, really? Debord was a Marxist, huh.
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