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Scottish Rite of Freemasonry") should have a citation linking to information from either the Scottish Rite itself or from a reputable scholarly source that doesn't have a sectarian axe to grind with Masonry. Because I don't want to mess up the structure of the citations due to my lack of expertise in making such edits, I wanted to post this before attempting to change or even remove the citation in case anyone with more knowledge of how to make such edits wants to weigh in.
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Byzantine eagle was represented. The only problem with giving it any kind of context within the Islamic world is that there are no places in the Islamic world where eagles live. They appear in mountainous areas of greece, Montenegro and Serbia and therefore they appear on their imagery. There are no Eagles in the desert. There are falcons and hawks.
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Agreed that the cited source is tendentious and prejudiced. However, the basic point for which it's being cited – that the
Scottish Rite uses the double headed eagle as an emblem – appears to be an uncontentious fact. If you'd like to replace it with a more authoritative print or online source (and
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I recently heard about
President Trump appearing with a fake presidential seal bearing a double-headed eagle, along with some comments about the significance of that symbol. I went to Knowledge to learn more about the symbol, and found a wealth of useful information. I thought that a notable modern
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Two-Headed Eagle was the name of a monarchist organization and its periodical, associated with the Black
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if anyone wants to judge for themselves. The purpose of the essay in question is clearly not to inform the general reader, but rather to ask: "...whether
Christians should belong to such a fellowship," which clearly has no place in an encyclopedic article. The statement in question ("The so-called
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Should I not have gone into a description of all the edits made to the seal? The double-headed eagle was the most prominent edit. The other edits admittedly aren't relevant. Would only referring to the double-headed eagle change, and displaying the edited image would have been better?
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Grigorevich Barsky, an attorney on Beilis' defense team. See A. S. Tager's Tsarist Russia and the Beilis Case, and also the trial transcripts at ldn-knigi.
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Such a minor incident is certainly not important enough to be mentioned in this article. It does not help at all in the understanding of this topic.
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Or is the objection that it was satirical? If so, can you point me towards Knowledge guidelines for dealing with that?
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There is an article on gandaberunda. Shouldn't the reference here link to that page?
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Or is the objection that the usage was modern? If so, I'd respectfully disagree.
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Shouldn't the Modern Use section have a pop-culture sub-section?
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