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to do the math on their own, rather than giving accuracy. If a series began in May 1999 and ended in May 2000 it would be assumed that it ended roughly 1 year. but just the years 1999-2000 gives the idea of 2 years. so it's a big deal for accuracy. Also note that box is completely intended to show the serialization history of the series. Which you completely ignored the other points i've made. this manga was serialized in a monthly magazine, so therefore its relevant to show which month it began, and which month it ended.
547:). Free Collars can be argued with rising standards and FLCL can be argued that the reviewer missed the fact that the volume release dates are used where the serialization dates are supposed to be. Having a month with the year is a basic aspect and is not comprehensive in my opinion. However, I am willing to drop this issue if a second opinion agrees with you. The opinion can come from : an active member of the wikiproject through their talk page, the wikiproject's talk page as a whole, or a formal request from GAN.
188:"Motohiko realized his mistake and left the corporation to care for his wife, after creating eight other prototypes" I think you should reword it so it's more clear that he created eight dolls before retiring. It might be better to write it in Present tense, so he creates the dolls then retires. Also, why is it a mistake? You could always rewrite it to say he retired to take care of his wife. (Do not take my suggestions on how to fix it as binding, there are other ways)
208:"During the development of the "Sterol-2" Doll, Kaoru's mental condition begins to deteriorate; after attempting to retain a copy of her mind and memories in a prototype of a Doll, Motohiko realizes his mistake of trying to replace his wife and leaves the corporation to care for her, after creating eight other prototypes." This sentence is still awkward.
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You say that, but you don't really provide reasons for it. let me note that just giving the years isn't enough because it can be off by 2 years max, whether it began at the end of it or not. that's why months are important, no matter how long the series last. just the years give the reader the reason
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The years 1999-2000 tell me that this hypothetical manga began serialization in 1999 and ended in 2000. I'm not making any wild assumptions/conclusions as a reader. That's a dangerous road to take. :) As for the rest of your response, I've already written about something similar earlier/above. So, I
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I do not believe Tanami is reliable, seeing as it is a mainly an online community for artists. After much consideration, I've decided the magazine issues the series ran in must be included as they are a main aspect of the topic (3a) so it should be noted the series ran between issues June 1998 till
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You did not replied, so again, best to find the months anyways. its a monthly issue. you only had issues with the example i gave. You are an editor, not the reader, therefore it can be bias to make claims as a reader would not see it, but they would indeed. its best to find the dates and not argue
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I find it very confusing that you are telling me what I do or do not understand. Please, let's keep this discussion civil. :) In this particular case and 99% of the rest, just listing the years is not misleading. You have a valid concern, but for this case and 99% of the rest, it is not necessary.
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I put in the character motivations, because without it, the plot becomes rather bizarre, especially since this series deals with human characters, who are capable of reasoning and feeling, and androids, which are decidedly not. As for that sentence you cited, that was explicitly what the character
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It's general information, so accuracy on that is relevant. I would definitely say it affects GA status. think about it, this ran in a monthly issue (meaning every month, a new chapter was released). For example: What if a series ran in
December 1999 to January 2000. Without the months, one would
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Well, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. There's not really much to clarify. His father mistook him for Itsuki the Doll, and realized that he killed his own son when it was too late. It's an important plot point, as it explains Ichiro's fate. Which is rather brutal and
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When I'm a reader, I do my best not to draw wild assumptions from the text. And that goes for any text. :) Again, I've discussed this concern in an earlier discussion with DragonZero. I think we've beaten this horse quite to death now... Let's agree to disagree? :)
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The manga was serialized in a "Monthly" magazine, therefore it is relevant to add the month. If it were weekly, it would be even more relevant to put the day in aswell. Without it, we wouldn't know when it began and when it ended
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Its common knowledge aswell. i dont know why this is an issue. its pretty important for GA for a manga or any serialization like TV series andcomic series with a specific pattern (weekly, bi-weekly, monthly,
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I guess we have a bit of a difference in opinion, then. :) The examples above are not the only GAs without month+year. I've gone ahead and have asked the project for their input, as you have suggested.
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Well, again, although I will definitely consider its place in the summmary, I think it ties up the fate of
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and it does justify the use of the primary as the sole source, so it's okay if it's not inline? Perhaps that should be clarified. Thanks for helping me better understand this practice. —
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April 2002 (unconfirmed dates). If you can confirm the issues and source them with primary sources, I will assume good faith and treat this issue as resolved.
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