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Why is bowel obstruction mentioned as one of the causes of his death? Are there reliable sources for that? In his last journal he mentions he suffers from attacks of dysenteria, that this causes a lot of blood loss that was weakening him. He also writes on his malaria problem that he suppresses with
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This article suffers from a lack of insight as to Dr. Livingstone's views, other than "Christianity, Commerce and
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I don't really know why this article is under siege of some stupid jokers. I was shocked to discover that
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I feel the article is crying out for a section with this heading. All
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this is discussed. To conserve his body for transport, his heart and other organs were taken out, put in an iron box and buried four feet deep close to the place where he died. The body was conserved by replacing his internal organs by salt and pouring 'eau-de-vie' in his mouth.... there is more to
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Witnesses say they removed the internal organs and buried them, salted the body and let it dry, then wrapped the corpse in the bark of a tree and finally in sail cloth. Like how beef jerky preserves meat. They told anyone who asked it was a bolt of cloth. When it got back to
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apart from their meeting possibly influence the British decision to colonise? That seems thoroughly absurd to me, as does the article's introductory sentence, which apparently reduces the seriousness of the article's subject. I would like to see that sentence changed; I know that I (who know very
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The Knowledge article does not mention that David Livingstone was taught Latin by an Irish Catholic priest, Fr. Daniel Gallagher, Parish Priest of St. Simon's church in Partick, Glasgow. This helped him gain admission to the college to study medicine. This event is commemorated in a mural on the
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It's great that Knowledge would include various honours named after David Livingstone from around the world, as well as various pop-culture references, but I wanted to add one more in the Canadian context-- that of the Livingstone range of the Rocky Mountains, in southern Alberta.
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I have boldly removed the whole trivia section. If we are to include all the utterances of "Dr. X, I presume" in popular culture, another article will be needed. If anyone feels strongly about any of those entries, let's find a reliable source that asserts significance.
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The current story about his body being claimed by Britain right after his death appears like pure fantasy to me and should be removed in my opinion. Much more likely a tribal tradition, as I've seen mentioned, or as user AAM says, a practicality.
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be in the illness section because he accepted help in 1867-8 before he fell ill). It's potentially controversial. So I have added a heading and section on slavery and moved the 'accepting help' part there, with names dates and references.
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is very reputable, and has a different and what appears to be a more accurate transcript of the conversation between the two men. The quotation in the article should probably be replaced with this one. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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These two loyal staff of David Livingstone i.e. Chuma and Susi appear in this article and many other writings on Dr Livingstone I have come across. Is it possible to shed more light-origin,ethnicity etc about them?
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something different. (Everybody wanted to be the man who discovered the ultimate source. Great kudos in that. Speke had already done it by then, but no-one really knew it for sure, and everyone was still arguing.)
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