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is because if somebody types that in, they're going to expect to find the movie page, not this disambiguation page, and then I put a link on the movie page to the disambiguation page. Why did you change it back? Even if it's left as "Dark knight (disambiguation)", that's okay, but as I said, if you
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Dark Knight. Editors continue to alter the pages, and one current half-witted solution would have TDK go to Batman, hatnote back to Dark knight, which would redirect to TDK. Genius. These were fine until about a week ago, when a new editor mucked it all up. Undo his mistakes, leave the whole mess
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This page is a disambiguation page for the term "Dark Knight". It is not an article about Batman or the movies. It is next to impossible to prove that people could not confuse the terms, and considering the similarity of the terms, it is rather likely that some people might confuse them.
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There is the evidence of people calling Batman the Black Knight nowadays? There is the evidence of using the term 'Dark Knight' in historical and romance novels? And so there is the evidence of people confusing the terms? Proved should be leaving something, not removing.
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Knight" probably all go to this page. It's ONE variation of the numerous ways it could be typed. There's plenty of re-directs for this disambiguation page, and until popular opinion on this discussion page changes the re-direct should not be changed.
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You assume much. Not everyone is a fan of the film. You haven't offered any reason for removing the link other than that you don't like it and that you don't think anyone could be confused. That isn't very convincing.
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