900:- Not a big enough issue to put this in the neutrality box, but just a query if Bob Schue, the investor mentioned, has any sort of notability? i.e. is his opinion relevant. There will have been thousands of small-scale investors with various opinions, but are we giving undue weight. If this was an investor with a significant stake, that’s different. (I've read the reference and done a quick search, both of which lead me to believe he's not notable).
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from around the world. This particular sentence contrasts with the one immediately before it, since 15 Central Park West's completion directly caused a slowdown in Time Warner Center's condo sales. (It is worth noting that the city's luxury market has recently seen a downturn, so some neighboring buildings are facing similar issues. However, there's no reliable source yet for me to add that into the article.)
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The editor(s) involved in getting the article this far should be very proud, it is very good. Placing it on hold while my comments are reviewed and addressed. However please feel free to challenge my on any of the comments, I am happy to discuss any/all of them. In summary, there is not a huge
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Review still in progress. Sorry, non-Knowledge issues have delayed my review. To get going I've reviewed prose for the lead to "Mechancial features" inclusive. A great article; these are tweaks and none are major problems. From what I've seen so far, very little work will be required for
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Time Warner Center", but this is one of those cases where use of the definite article is inconsistent. There are other places that use the definite article consistently (as you said, the WTC does do that), as well as others where the definite article is never used (like
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Republic " quote is followed by a book quote, and the reference for The New Republic. Why? It's a quote, so doesn't need a book reference in addition.
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