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A large portion of the "Historical Events" text seems to have been directly copied from the book "Lost to the West" by Lars
Brownworth. Credit should be given to the author and a citation, whoever was in charge of those copied texts did a poor job. Either write the text in your own words and cite the
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I apologise that I am very late in responding to your comments at this page! Well, I think you were right when you said that this article needs some work. I am thinking of deleting the entire last section, for now. The problem is it's supposed to be about the decline of the empire, yet in fact a lot
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May I just say good job to the person or people who thought of the idea of having a time-line of pictures showing the expansion and decline of the
Byzantine Empire, instead of just one or two pictures within the body of the page. Watching the territorial progression of the empire over time is very
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At the moment, this article looks like a list. In my opinion, it should be more of a
Chronologically ordered article with each period in Byzantine's history examined for potential down points. I am prepared to lend a hand here. Besides, if the Byzantine Empire article is gonna be linked to this, it
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On a side note, it seems that the centralization of
Imperial power left the Byzantines in trouble. The Roman Empire was slighly less centralized - with all those governers and Roman Generals and their legions of soldiers they didn't have to wait for orders from the Emperor to act. We should bring
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of it is about the
Komnenoi in the 12th century, which is relevant, but doesn't really answer the question. I think you're right about the lack of editing being done here - I created this page, and yet I have spared very little time to look after it. I'm thinking about what to do with it next...
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I have read this article and given it a little extra. I don't think its much of a personal essay right now and even if it is, or was, its because theres not enough editting done - so if u think its personal, then stop talking about it and be bold. In any case it is a very valid point that the
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Andronicus Comnenus count as part of the Komnenus restoration? He wasn't a bad emperor, he pretty much continued the work Manuel Comnenus was doing but in every article I see it focuses on the first three emperors namely Alexius, John and Manuel.
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precipitated the decline of the empire. That may be so, but it should be structured differently. I'll come back later to do what I can, but this isn't an area where I'm an expert by any means. Fishal 13:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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