Talk:Department of Corrections (New Zealand)

1775:"As a general rule, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopaedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone. Biased information can usually be balanced with material cited to other sources to produce a more neutral perspective, so such problems should be fixed when possible through the normal editing process. Remove material only where you have good reason to believe it misinforms or misleads readers in ways that cannot be addressed by rewriting the passage." 1430:. They both have a conflict of interest as a result of which they think any information seemingly critical of the Corrections Department has to be removed - even though that information mostly comes from the Corrections department's own research and is posted on Corrections website. I am new to wikipedia and I don't understand how to use the warning mechanisms that wikipedia has. If I did, I would issue them with a formatted wikipedia warning for vandalism. 1853:"The best approach to incorporating negative criticism into the encyclopedia is to integrate it into the article, in a way that does not disrupt the article's flow. The article should be divided into sections based on topics, timeline, or theme – not viewpoint. Negative criticism should be interwoven throughout the topical or thematic sections. Creating a "Criticism" section exacerbates point-of-view problems, and is not encyclopedic." 74: 1142:. Much of your contribution is unsuitable for Knowledge, being non-neutral, referenced to books so obscure they can't be found in Amazon (e.g. "Flying Blind"), or original research (statements such as "Corrections appears to be in breach of its statutory obligations" are journalism, not encyclopaedic material). Try, if you can, to summarise your points in a short paragraph, with sourcing to mainstream sources, and see how that goes. 53: 1566: 1574: 84: 371:"forwarded ported " (I should have written "forward ported") means updating the names of the minister and that Ray Smith was appointed in in 2010. As for specific problems I would suggest you look at the table of contents for your last version. It consists of almost nothing but negatives in the department's history. Have a look at other government department articles and compare what they have. I would suggest you: 187: 162: 1161:. 3) You make a huge assumption if you think all books published by Amazon are neutral.And I would be surprised if Knowledge has a policy that all references in Knowledge have to be listed with Amazon. 5) If you aren't happy with the phrase "Corrections appears to be in breach of its statutory obligations" just say so and I will change it. There is no need to remove an entire section on the basis of one sentence. 272: 22: 237: 808:

policies and also encouraged the media to not sensationalise crime. Finnish media even agreed to regularly publish education pieces informing the public about evidenced based penal policy - and in particular that prisons do not act as a deterrent to crime. About Time encouraged the use of similar strategies in New Zealand. But you deleted what I wrote about Finland....

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1941 German forces and their European allies occupied most of Europe and North Africa. These gains were gradually reversed after 1941, and in 1945 the Allied armies defeated the German army. Hitler's supremacist and racially motivated policies resulted in the systematic murder of eleven million people, including nearly six million Jews.

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you're the only person who seems to see this bias and (as you've just admitted) you're the author of a book which appears to be intensely critical of the subject. If you seriously believe that corrections content has been cut and pasted into this article in violation of copyrights/policy, I suggest you follow the instructions at

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sources to produce a more neutral perspective, so such problems should be fixed when possible through the normal editing process. Remove material only where you have good reason to believe it misinforms or misleads readers in ways that cannot be addressed by rewriting the passage. " They just ignore this.

663:(related to the previous) given that the department speaks/writes/publishes a reasonable amount of material you completely fail to mention whether the department has mentioned any of this or has a position on; nor whether it's the kind of thing that falls within a department's remit to have a position on. 1502:

Ok guys, I've protected the article again. I could just as easily have liberally handed out some blocks to the edit warriors as you have been more than adequately warned about this already. I again repeat that if you are unable to resolve these issues by discussing amongst yourselves, you should seek

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Mr Yeates response in the section above proves my point - about the need to "not remove sourced information solely on the grounds that it seems biased". Neither Mr Yeates nor Mr Lyall have acknowledged this request or the need to follow wikipedia policies on neutrality. I have asked them a number of

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On neutrality, wikipedia says: "As a general rule, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone. Biased information can usually be balanced with material cited to other

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which contained 10 different strategies aimed at reducing the prison population in NZ. The document highlighted Finland's success at reducing their prison population by adopting strategies which encouraged Finnish politicians not to use incidents of violent crime as means of adopting 'tough on crime'

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is a political dynamic in NZ national politics; it involves a number of lobby groups, political parties and media outlets. To the best of my knowledge the Department doesn't have a policy on the core issues fuelling penal populism or penal populism itself and as an operation unit rather than a policy

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You have not addressed the main issue I have raised which is that you are still accusing an entire organisation of criminal behaviour, previously completely unsourced and now sourced only to a self-published polemic. I have removed the most egregious tinfoil-hattery, reinstated the NPOV tag and will

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I therefore propose to move the information which is currently in the Criticism section and incorporate it under the section about the Department's Statutory Responsibilities - since that what the criticisms are actually about. In the process, I will modify the information about the Department being

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I would hardly call this impartial or lacking in loaded terminology and there are no sources quoted at all for any of this information. In fact, this is very critical of Hitler calling him (quite accurately)a supremacist with racially motivated policies who killed 6 million Jews. I don't think there

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Years of working in prisons combined with other research I conducted for the book is what qualified me to write the book and make informed comments about the Corrections Department. The edits and page I created are far more accurate than the current version of the page which is written by someone in

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I am not knowledgeable about what other Government Departments do. I am very knowledgeable about the Corrections Department because I work in the justice/corrections field. That's why I'm interested. I would suggest it is your lack of knowledge in this area that makes you think the version you have

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1000 edits, you are not "new to wikipedia"---just apparently indifferent to learning the house style and local conventions (d) please provide on-wiki diffs that support your contention that "Mr Yeates" is an appropriate way to refer to me, or remove them (e) I have no idea how how my comments above

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The neutrality of this article has now been improved by the addition of 'positive' information - mainly from Corrections Department sources. 'Positive' information has been added in all three sections under Statutory Responsibilities. In regard to providing a safe prison environment, this sentence

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would behave in the manner you describe and see nothing in that user's recent contribution history to support this. I would however suggest that said contribution history is very much in keeping with someone who has a busy life outside Knowledge and does not have hours spare to indulge in circular

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Those wholesale deletes of information have been done in an attempt to quickly try and re-balance articles and remove the major POV issues you mention. Unfortunately this is not the only article such 'crash' edits have had to have been performed on. I'm all for someone sitting down and re-editing

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He keeps putting references to his own self-published book about the justice and criminal sectors in NZ on a range of pages. This is self-promoting, but considering he also works in the sector and gets funding from the Courts shows a clear COI. This is not tolerated with other editors - why is it

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Hitler's foreign and domestic policies had the goal of seizing Lebensraum ("living space") for the Germanic people. He oversaw the rearmament of Germany and the invasion of Poland by the Wehrmacht in September 1939, which led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe. Under Hitler's direction, in

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there doesn't seem to be a strong connection between penal popularism and the department, except in so far as penal popularism is responsible for keeping the prisons full. If there is a strong connection it needs to be laid bare; if not penal popularism probably deserves only a paragraph in this

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I have no problems with references using flying blind, particularly if they give a page number. I take issue with references using a website that's just advertising material for flying blind. I acknowledge that I've avoided talking about bias in the current version of the webpages; mainly because

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How does one arbitrate between the version you're supporting - which comes directly from the Corrections Department website and is therefore inherently biased by their conflict of interest - and my version which quotes research and other sources throughout the entire text? The statements made by

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Accusing a government department of failing to live up to its statutory obligations is not an accusation of criminal behaviour. It is not an offence under the Crimes Act. It is simply a dereliction of duty - possibly subject to potential sanctions by the State Services Commission. But since the

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The tag should stay as long as the "Criticisms" section is in its current form. At the moment it is extremely one-sided, in particular the paragraph which claims that "...Corrections is in breach of its statutory obligations..." (This appears unsourced and quite possibly original research). The

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What does 'forwarded ported' mean? I have spent hours and hours adding information to the version you have reverted to - which is simply a copy of information taken from the Depatment of Corrections website. The Department has a very biased POV and strong COI. Most of what is on that page is

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The connection is very strong as penal populism creates the demand for more and more prisons and the expansion of the Department. The on-going expansion of the Department depends on this - at an ever increasing cost to the NZ taxpayer. How strong/bare do you need the connection to be?

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facts and figures are referenced to newspapers when they can probably be sourced from the department itself (unless you believe that the department cannot be trusted to accurately report facts and figures, in which case the article should say so, giving a reference for

1618:. A number of the issues raised as concerns about the Department's behaviour are valid and were well documented in the local media. There are also reports from a number of investigations into the various incidents, but these need to be cited in a more balanced manner. 520:

the Corrections Department and simply copied onto wikipedia by someone else. Isn't that a breach of the wikipedia rules? So far in this conversation, you have consistently avoided doing anything about the bias that exists in the current version you have reverted to.

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God this conversation is hard to follow. So Simon Lyall deleted/reverted it. It feels like the two of you are ganging up on me and you both have completely different ideas about what is acceptable. Its hard to get any consistency when I'm dealing with two people at

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on

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I'm happy for you to edit and provide feedback about what I write - provided you don't work for Corrections. What pissed me off is that you guys let me carry on writing for six weeks before you got involved and then reverted everthing. Lets do it line by

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When Offender9000 restored the reference to Flying Blind, he made the comment that it is published by First Edition Ltd. A quick check of that company states it is "New Zealand's leading self-publishing house with over 500 titles published annually..."

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unit has no remit to have a policy on these issues. As such penal populism is more related to any number of articles than it is to this one. Yes the department is effected by the end results of the dynamic, but is not involved in the dynamic itself.

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Hi SimonLyall, I gather you have reverted much of the editing I have done on the Dept of Corrections page. You left this note. (rv to version as of 22:15, 8 October 2011. Changes since then highly NPOV. Some corrections need to be forwarded ported.)

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In regard to rehabilitation, information about increased availability of drug treatment and other rehabilitation programmes offered in prison has been added. Under the requirement to provide information to the Courts, this sentence has been added:

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Please don't think that we are not going to notice if you slowly restore your previous version of this article line by line. We notice but (unlike you) we have other articles we are keeping an eye on so we are not going to give you feedback every

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Whilst I am well aware of the COI here (I did the initial review at WP:COIN), I am concerned there may be a baby & bathwater issue here: Last several edits have removed a huge amount of material, and I would like to suggest reconsidering

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Seriously, the article is about a government department. It is not about "Everything I think is wrong with New Zealand's criminal justice and prison system". and I'm not suggesting that you create such an article either. I've reverted. -

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I note that this article is under mediation and that there has been considerable debate by several editors. However, I am concerned that some of the statements made in the article could be considered defamatory to living persons - see

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Until the two other contributors who keep reverting the information I am trying to add openly acknowledge that they work for the Corrections Department and have a conflict of interest, I don't think it is possible to resolve anything.

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prove your point; maybe you could restate this proof clearly? (f) you claim that we have a conflict of interest, previously you have claimed we're employees of the department; please give evidence of these claims or withdraw them.

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In regard to the information that Mr Yeates wants to add. Go ahead if you wish - be constructive and add material. Just stop deleting/reverting my contributions. Otherwise, I think you and Mr Lyall should be blocked for vandalism.

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Of these things (5) is probably the main reason why your content was previously reverted and (1) and (6) close behind. (2) seems like sloppy writing. Most of the rest are just areas for improvement. On the positive side:

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I have just added an amended piece about the growth of the Department. It is entirely factual, contains numerous citations and not one linked to Flying Blind. If you choose to delete it for some reason please explain why.

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has inserted references of controversial reliability, including self-published works, that he himself has written. In my view that is a clear conflict of interest. Can I suggest that these references be deleted?

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that I can see. I have therefore protected the page from editing for a week. Please use this time to resolve these disputes, and consider soliciting outside help, that is often the best way to resolve such matters.

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https://archive.is/20120803165325/http://www.corrections.govt.nz/news-and-publications/magazines-and-newsletters/corrections-news/2011/corrections_news_nov-dec/farewell_interview_chief_executive_barry_matthews.html

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Offender9000: Rather than adding stuff yourself, please tell us what is wrong with the current article and what you think need to be added. Just broadly, what topics? not specific wording. -

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I agree and have therefore (again) removed the paragraph ref to the Scoop press release. The release is self-published - and has been inserted on this article (and restored) by its author.

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section's content should either be balanced by other criticism from groups such as the Sensible Sentencing Trust, and/or references to the 1999 referendum, or (preferably) removed entirely.

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I have removed the sentence stating that the Prison Service "provides a safe and humane environment". There was no citation to back it up - and never will be, because it simply isn't true.

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the last paragraph seems to present what seem to be the same numbers in three different ways. I'd suggest a table for the figures and a separate paragraph relating to the point being made.

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Good point, although I commented there a while ago, I hadn't been watching it in the meantime. After reviewing the conversation there I believe a different course of action is warranted.

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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Corrections that they create a safe and humane environment are Departmental propaganda. Anyone who works in a NZ prison or has been an inmate in one will tell you this is not true.

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inaccurate. I would like to return it to the latest version of mine. If you have concerns about particular edits please inform me rather that just arbitrarily deleting weeks of work.

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well-sourced information relating to the conditional clauses in the section of the act relating to rehabilitation (probably need to rely on hansard and contemporary press releases).

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http://www.corrections.govt.nz/news-and-publications/magazines-and-newsletters/corrections-news/2011/corrections_news_nov-dec/farewell_interview_chief_executive_barry_matthews.html

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times to provide constructive feedback on information I have provided. Instead, they have repeatedly reverted entire sections of information without explanation which constitutes

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1) You seem to misunderstand the book Flying Blind. Currently there is not a single reference to it in the entire page. 2) Flying Blind is so mainstream it has been cited by the

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comprehensive list of appellate-level legal cases they've been involved in, sources to court websites for pleadings / judgements (only available publicly for the recent ones)

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2) It was also established that SimonLyall has difficulty accepting alternative points of view to his. He withdrew from mediation rather than concede that WP states:

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https://archive.is/20121220164844/http://www.psa.org.nz/newsroom/mediareleases/12-03-09/Why_build_a_private_prison_when_we_have_empty_beds_in_public_ones.aspx

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We direct the Registrar to send a copy of this judgment and Mr Brooking's affidavit to the Chief Executive of the Department of Corrections for consideration.

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Since it appears to be an issue in the discussion and for the benefit of all - I have no connection to the Department, nor do I have any link to its staff.

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have a small controversies section (no more than 1/3 of the article) covering problems with the department and make sure you have good references in there.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20120502071013/http://www.corrections.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/394902/Complete-Recidivism-Report-2009-DOC.pdf

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and a borderline attack article, as it has been in the past. The issue is not about sourcing but about tone and balance. I'd invite editors to read

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it seems clear that politicians are involved in this. I always try and get first-person quotes, un-muddied by the media. I suggest that you search

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Stuart: In regard to what the Department has policies on, you appear to be misinformed. In 2001 the Department released a policy document called

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Try an reflect on why we are editing this article vs why you are editing this article (hint: it is not because we are employed by the Dept) -

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I don't really understand this information you've provided about links - other than to put more information in as opposed to a 'bare url'.

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Please do not put in bare URLs for references. Here is the format you need to use. You have to fill in each field like I have this one:

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is anything in the material about the Corrections Department which you want to delete which is anywhere near as critical in its tone.

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

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http://www.psa.org.nz/newsroom/mediareleases/12-03-09/Why_build_a_private_prison_when_we_have_empty_beds_in_public_ones.aspx

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Comparison with the article on Hitler is not helpful to your cause. The following is from the Knowledge page about Hitler:

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Just noting here for any interested parties that there is a request for mediation regarding the content of this article.

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material that has been removed so that is balanced and re-inserting it. It looks like it will be a big job however.....

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It was ever-growing until 2011 when justice sector forecasts showed a drop for the first time. How would you word this?

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Ok I have reduced it to one small para and added it into the section on the Growth of the Department. Is that alright?

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Have a look at the references section. It is the 2nd one. You'll see the difference. - 22:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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https://web.archive.org/web/20120404195018/http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_country.php?country=202

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replacing (where possible) popular press references with primary source references (hansard, scoop, stats nz, etc).

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I am the author of Flying Blind. My edits contained over 100 footnotes and only a handful pointed to Flying Blind.

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Dismayed judges have ordered Corrections bosses to read an expert's book on rehabilitation after being shocked...

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employed by the Department but that you claim this is not your motivation...? Are you employed by the Department?

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If you feel that you can't be significantly neutral on this subject then I would suggets you avoid editing it. -

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I agree with most of what Stuart says, he however is much more polite than me. I'll say the following however:

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and as far as I can see none of the issues have been resolved, settled or significantly progressed. Thoughts?

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Later that year justice sector forecasts showed a drop in the projected prison forecast for the first time.

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I've reverted an edit that removed the info box. As far as I can tell it is consistent with the

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Hopefully, this will satisfy those who have concerns about the neutrality of the article.

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SimonLyalls unwillingness to accept this does not alter the fact that it is WP policy.

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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with

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is a solid gold source (very independent, very authoritative, very considered; a very

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You guys are obviously having a dispute here, yet nobody in asking for any kind of

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You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Knowledge. This site is intended to be a

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http://www.corrections.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/179695/abouttime.pdf

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Rather than delete entire passages, any unbalanced statement can be reworded.

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I have added a short section of Criticisms. Does that meet your standards...?

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This is, of course, an exemplar of the problem. The reference should be to

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I'm still mystified about about what the problem is/was with the Infobox.

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I have just added a section on penal populism in NZ. Any concerns Stuart?

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I find it very difficult to believe than an experienced editor such as

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and I have very different styles here, but I won't fault his actions.

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Not just links to bare URLs. Fix this before you do anything else.

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In the absence of any opposition I have restored the POV tag.

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That's ambiguous. I assume from the statement above that you

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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summary of knowledge. If you have not yet, please read

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of material to provide balance rather than deletion.

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The Department faces an ever-growing prison population

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became the only prison guard to die on active duty.

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for good quotes from the respective horses' mouths.

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