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If people have trouble with the terminology (but not the concept) it is something like asking someone to put things in alphabetical order when they do not know the order of the "English alphabet" in the first place. What is the best way to do this? Suggestions, anyone?
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used to define treatment groups. " As it contradicted the rest of the definition and seems to be reffering to control and treatment cases rather than an independent variable (the actual treatment).. This is the one that you change in your experiment...
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I took out the saliva example — it was confusing and explained nothing that the other examples hadn't already elucidated. Also took out the numbering, as it doesn't seem to be the standard and I couldn't see a real reason for it.
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I do not have enough time to read this article on your behalf. However, I do have a web browser with an Edit | Find facility. ... and, yes, that article does not mention this article.
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