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Division Series" and "National League Division Series". They know the difference between generic terms and proper names. I'm not sure what to make of NBCSports where they use "the League Division Series" and "the division series" in the same article; it does at least provide a little support for the LDS name, which is scarce elsewhere, in either upper or lower. There are tons of examples of lowercase usage of these title terms, but you have to look past headlines. Keep in mind that we use sentence case for titles, so what you read in headlines provides no data about that (but titles and headings and headlines do certainly up the counts of capped n-grams).
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I don't understand what your "No" refers to. Are you disagreeing with my statement that there's no trademark on "League
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English language isn't a physics equation. Sporting events are considered proper nouns in American English so attempting to impose some rule on these articles is a huge time sink and time should be applied somewhere else.
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English, and doesn't often follow contrived rules. Eventually, even "aircrafts" will become an accepted plural, no matter how bad it sounds to us old native speakers of English!
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