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It simply says which icon is being used when a movie is at a certain percent. If anything, to say that every "rotten" overall percent score counts as " overall negative reviews" is more of original research than anything you're accusing me of, especially if more than half of the reviews for a movie
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The Wimpy Kid films are fairly documented, especially the first one, when it comes to their making. As the movie diaries were not only written by the author of the series (who had a major role in the films, too,) I don't get how undocumented the pages appear as. The second and third films sort of
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Two things. First, I'll just repeat in a nutshell what I've said many times before. If Rotten
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