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I do not think that Purity should be merged with this page. This is because the page already has a small summary of the song in the "controversy" section. The page does not need anymore information than it has. The Purity page is labeled as a "STUB" article but still displays a significant amount of
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This album is defintely Nu metal. Its not Rap metal, Corey raps only a little bit on this album, and Rap metal is pretty much non-stop rapping, such as Rage
Against The Machine. There's no way this is Rap rock either because Slipknot isn't rock. They're metal. The genre should just be Nu metal in my
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Okay, I'd like to point out something. Slipknot doesn't like the label "nu metal". They try and distance themselves from the label. So if we must include nu metal, can we include some other genres too, so
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It's includes the controversy, it includes the concept, information on it's demo version, it's prelude, and the information required in the infobox. It is also significant enough to have it's own page. If Purity were merged to this page, it would only create more clutter threw out the page. Take
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There are actually 2 versions of the cover. Copies that have "Purity" have the band's logo on the side of the inside tray insert. Copies that don't have "Purity" have the band's logo at the top of the front cover. The one on this page would be from the "Purity" version. Should the cover of the
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Couldn't this album be labeled death metal too? It does have a clear nu-metal sound but if you compare it to other nu-metal albums it is much more extreme and has death metal elements? Slipknot has said before that death metal makes up a big part of their sound. Same goes for the Iowa album.
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Okay well I changed the Gently information from "Crowz" to "Recorded between Mate. Feed. Kill. Reapeat. and their debut album." I still think
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