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Since you didn't arrive here in good faith User:Uanfala (you had admitted that you were following my contributions after our dispute on an ethnic group article), I'm going to presume that you aren't familiar with Akbar or Din-i Illahi. I will provide you an example of a text that speaks on this topic
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Egyptian Arabic uses Unicode character ى x 0649 ARABIC LETTER ALEF MAKSURA in such cases, while Persian uses ی x 06CC ARABIC LETTER FARSI YEH (to start with). To see an example of the real difference between Arabic and Farsi/Urdu, compare the Urdu Interwiki and the Arabic interwiki at
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Do you speak any Farsi or Arabic? I'm studying both, and let me tell you, script is a minor issue. You can use a Farsi-style script with Arabic and vice-versa. It's only a matter of handwriting or printing styles and nothing more. Hell, we could write them using a Kufi script if we wanted to; it
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I'm going to have to disagree with AnonMoos here - Din-i Ilahi is straight-up
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Persianate scripts has extra letters, and they are merely extra dots here or there. There are Kufi versions of those, too...
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Din-i Ilahi means religion of god. Din-i Allahi means religion of the God. Are not these different? Akbar believed in the oneness of God, but was tolerant of polytheism. literal translations should be done.
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