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Discovery rotating (after the lose of energy the rotation was transferred to the whole ship) around and axis paralell to the floor and perpendicular to the main ship axis. This means that the centrifuge was a rotating "vertical" disk which rotation axis was perpendicular to the main ship axis, a sort of saw blade as in a saw mill. This means that it was "invading" the pod bay. Am I right?
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. The Ship still had liquid propellant stored in its tanks when it was parked, which means it's not a strictly rigid body. If its initial rotation is about the long axis, it will gradually precess to the more stable end-over-end tumble mode it displays when the
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