Talk:Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons)

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organized by edition, so step one would be to split up the Pub history by edition. Step two, oh yeah, dig out your books and tell us a little bit about what you see there, and jazz it up a bit. Step three, as you do that, remove the superfluous information that remains in the rest of the article. See, like I said, a lot of work. :) Now, I'm not saying to move everything into the pub history section; in fact, since Dragons are major players, they do deserve other sections such as classification, abilities, campaign settings, etc, but even that should be presented in a fashion such as "in this edition it was like this, and in the next edition it was like that" (which, to some extent, it already is). What we don't need, I feel, is this ginormous list taking up some 70% of the article; we could probably even create a separate list page for that, if we really feel we need to keep it anywhere at all. If we keep that list in this article, it should be compressed and reorganized so that it doesn't take up so much space.

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of my knowledge, isn't even used in either edition, and the word "Chromatic" is used only as an honorific title to describe Tiamat herself and not her children (it can be assumed, fairly enough, that later writers co-opted the term to describe the dragon types). The first edition Monster Manual also drew directly upon original D&D, and added additional types so that both the good and evil dragons now stood at five each. They were not grouped into categories as such, and each type was listed alphabetically (black first, then blue, brass, bronze, copper, gold, green...), and in early second edition the Monstrous Compendium did not innovate on this approach. As far as I can tell, the Monstrous Manual was the first book to explicitly use the terms "chromatic" and "metallic" to describe the two types, and to group them into categories. I think it's dipping a little into

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together. (One such general section will be the start of the "dragon classification" section, which I just wrote.) I think it would suitable to finish the article with one big table that details the publication history of each dragon species in each edition, and if there's room, a column to list each species' elemental affinity. Other than that, I don't think details like "preferred terrain" are particularly notable, and I don't foresee a place for that information here. (Put it on Wikia if you like.) That table is the last step I have planned for this article, and afterward, we'll see what we still need to do. --

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the first time expecting to see the word "chromatic" is going to be confused to find that it only applies to Tiamat (who wasn't even called Tiamat at the time, just "The Chromatic Dragon"). Therefore, I figure it is more appropriate to identify them as chaotic-aligned and explain the changes later, rather than try to explain early on what changes were coming. I also did some revision for the first edition MM, as your rewrite didn't imply strongly enough that the creatures actually

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him improve the content of articles on his own, rather I've only seen him use the bully pulpit of tags and AFDs to force others to scramble to do the work. That's a poor method to gain respect or foster any sense of community, and it ends up driving people away from WP. The sooner Gavin understands this, he'll become a much better editor. I hope he does.

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It's me again, signed in this time. I've started my work; I began by rewriting the introduction, and then by moving the "dragon classification section" to the top of the article, and then by writing a new, concise opening paragraph for it. (My biggest weakness is finding and citing references; I'd be

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I'm pretty sure that this article is currently miscategorizing some true dragons, listing them with non-true dragons instead of listing them under the true dragons subheading. Also, I think we should include a definition of true dragon, and divide the "types of dragons" section into four subsections:

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Please...I have forgotten more about writing scholarly content than you'll ever know. You simply put are narrow-minded and lack the imagination that even got a project like this off the ground in the first place. Stick to accounting, it’s less strenuous. And yeah, I have taught MBA level accounting

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messy, non-notable stub-articles about D&D sprawling across the face of wikipedia. Yes, D&D dragons as a group are noteworthy. No, each individual species is not. Game statistics aren't either. Fortunately, in the four years since you wrote that comment, someone with more sense went ahead and

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Just removed the above table. It is entirely focused on the gem dragons of a single setting (Forgotten Realms) & not dragons across D&D. I don't think we need this table in the article since it lacks secondary sources indicating why these dragons standout more than other named dragons across

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I've had a go at rewriting the publication history, which will hopefully address your concerns. I'd like to leave the 1974 boxed set info as it is here, naked and without assumption (note that the alignments weren't even given as "evil" at the time - merely "chaotic"). Anyone looking at that set for

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Actually, after checking the article history, the existance of a "lesser dragons" section and the article's current definition of true dragons, I have concluded that everything outside the "lesser dragons" section is a true dragon, and the heading levels got messed up due to an editing mistake. I've

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to start describing them using these terms in older editions, when the books themselves did not use these terms. I'll concede that using the word "dragon dragon dragon" over and over is probably excessive, but if we want to trim words the better way to do that is to just say "the black, white, red,

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Having examined the sources, as far as I can tell, these terms were introducted in the 2nd edition Monstrous Manual. The 1974 white box, and the first D&D basic set which drew directly upon the original, didn't even have all of the "Advanced" dragon types. The word "metallic", again to the best

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Here's what I would like to see for this page. See that Publication history section? Well, right now it's pretty bland, but I think it provides a good skeleton on which we need to slap some meat. Check around on some of the other creature pages, such as Mimic, and you'll see that the information is

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Okay, so obviously this page is really messy, and it seems like a lot of it has not been updated to fourth edition, which I think improves (or at least streamlines) overall categorization. How do we feel about reorganizing the page to fit better with the fourth edition types, and what do we then do

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of that guideline is supposed to be handled by building consensus. Gavin's chosen communication style creates conflict; it doesn't work toward consensus. Assuming that the people you're supposed to be collaborating with are wrong just because they disagree with your interpretation of the guidelines

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I doubt it, if past history is any indication. To be honest, I'm surprised that Gavin hasn't been blocked from editing (and by editing I mean tagging and trying to delete) RPG associated articles due to a repetatively demonstrated profound lack of knowledge about the material itself. I haven't seem

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You can't ignore him; he has got a valid point, which applies to many other D&D articles: this material should be not be treated as fact when in reality it is fiction. Providing "statistics", such as dragon weighs 1,280,000 pounds is basically a fictional device, the reproduction of which falls

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of work. :) When I first came to Knowledge, most of what I saw was 3E-centralized. Now what are we going to do, rewrite it all to be 4E-central, and then eventually rewrite it all again when 5E eventually comes out? No! That way lies madness for all involved. ;) The best way to be an encylcopedia,

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One major issue this article has is the way it bounces back and forth between editions. I recommend that we have a section divided by edition in order to talk about the characteristics of dragons. In addition, rather than elaborately detailing each dragon, we should have a simple chart that shows

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Even if the Steel and Mercury dragons aren't considered true 'metallic' dragons, they should at least be on the table. Seems like anything on the table should be any kind of 'true' dragon, that is, ANY dragon with listed age categories in its recent game-stat listings. AFAIK, they've had those in

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Repeating dragon names over and over makes this section into one long eye-glaze inducing wall of text and does a poor job of presenting the information in an accessible manner. Using established terminology from the primary sources for sets of five that appear repeatedly makes it much easier to

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But hey, it's fiction; whatever writer wrote those specs (in whatever primary source) is a twit. Nothing says fiction has to make any sense. I did not look at where those numbers were introduced into the article; I suspected that it might be someone's ideas of a joke. Now you have a cited bit of

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Frankly, I intend to get rid of a lot of the junk in this article, and that means that once I've reorganized it, much of it will need to be rewritten. I still intend to sort this article by edition, which will make it the most concise and readable, using a couple of general sections to tie them

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Awesome, thank you. I was looking for an article to use as a example for what I want to do to this one, and that one is laid out exactly the way I'd like to do this one. That said, I think this dragon article is going to need one or two extra general sections, on account of the sheer number of

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does not apply just because other articles make the same mistake, since there is nothing stopping anyone from ignoring the guideline. Also, the citation you have added (from Mirrorstone) is not considered a suitable secondary source because it is affiliated with the publishers (Wizards of the

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I agree. I'm definitely not against "fancruft", having added a fair bit myself over the years, but that table's a bit much. Not to mention that the stats are version-specific, the second edition's dragons have a very different progression (I just checked the old Monsterous Compendium) and I'm

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Many fan wikis and fan websites (see below) take this approach, but it should not be used for Knowledge articles. An in-universe perspective is inaccurate and misleading, gives undue weight to unimportant information and invites unverifiable original research. Most importantly, in-universe

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This article is a sprawling mess. It's poorly written in places, and includes way too many details in an unclear way. I just finished removing some unofficial material from this article, as well as trying to make one section make sense, though there remains a lot of work to be done.

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I say that the physical description (sans weight, length, shoe size, etc.) should stay, even if stripped to its bare bones; I agree that stats and weight, length, shoe size, etc. are cruft, but disagree that adding citations to the article is an exercise in futility.

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The article adds Shadow Dragons as inhabitants of the shadow material plane. This is false and outdated. They are dragons that are either born or corrupted in the Shadowfell, which is no longer part of the material planes, but a parallel plane to the material one.

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Gavin, I'm strongly recommending that this article be re-written to show how dragons were developed for the game and how their base characteristics evolved with the different editions. It could include some publication history like "In the AD&D 1st Edition

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I don't think adding citations to an article with a heavy in universe perspective will improve it at all. I think that the in universe content, such as the descriptions and statistics should be edited out, and the remaining content converted into a list.

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I can easily get ahold of illustrations of every major D&D dragon type. Should I do so, or might WotC decide to take issue with that? I have a drawing of a silver dragon that isn't in any official books, and I'm going to go ahead and upload that.

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Don't particularly feel good about that idea at all! In fact, I'd say my personal mission has become to avoid any sort of "this is what is done in the current edition, so let's toss out the old stuff" focus whenever I see it. Check out what I did on

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What is the point of the HD table? It would be a lot more simple to note the levels of power (from white to gold), and not add useless information that is inexplainable to thse who are not familiar with the system, and trivia for those who are.

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This is neither false nor outdated. We don't change old information just because new information doesn't agree. You can add a note saying "as of 4th edition, shadow dragons now..." but we don't remove the information about previous editions.

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In the biology section of the article, it mentions that a humanoid creature breeding with a dragon will produce a “Half dragon”, which just sounds like a Dragonborn. I would add a link to the Dragonborn article but I don’t know how to do it

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Sounds good. I say the best way to do it would be to set up a section for each edition, then merge in some basic facts with the information that is currently in the "publication history" to make that material less dry. See the rewrite of

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Question for Jack - is it ludicrous because you think it's obvious that a gold dragon could easily weigh more than that, or because a gold dragon could never weigh even that much? I'm unsure what kind of point you're trying to make?

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parse, even if the terminology wasn't introduced until some of the groupings had already been in use for a while. In my edit I even make sure to point out that the grouping names were not official until later. —

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Where do Hellfire Wyrms (Monster Manual III, I think, but don't quote me) fit in as far as dragon classification? Or at least, shouldn't they be mentioned somehow? They strike me as much too powerful to not note.

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and gold dragon" rather than try to lump them into categories which weren't invented for another nearly 20 years. I can re-examine the sources and report back exactly what I find, if that would help.

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for example. We need to be presenting information from every edition as equal to it's overall level of importance to the game as it has been evolving for the past 35 years. I think a lot of our

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It's not being used to illustrate the artists work though, which I guess is why somebody else removed it. It may be useful to upload a book cover of one of the books mentioned, possibly

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I like where you're coming from - so far so good! I'd tackle this one myself, but it would be a ton of work and I've got a lot of other stuff I want to work on! Keep up the good work.

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Is there any way to "work together" with Gavin that doesn't involve following all of his favorite rules in the exact way he interprets them? Because if not, then I'm not interested.

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articles currently reflect this, but many still don't, and I'll still working on getting them to that point. The main reason I haven't gotten to this page yet is that it would be a

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Should fang and shadow dragons continue to be classified as Faerunian dragons, considering that they most recently appear in the non-setting specific Draconomicon supplement?

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started merging those individual dragon articles. If you really feel the need to write details about every type of dragon, please do so on a dedicated D&D Wikia page.--

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much obliged if someone could help me out on that count.) There's still a lot I intend to do, but I'm out of motivation for tonight. Maybe tomorrow I'll do some more.

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this article should be gutted. section one, "dragon classification," says everything wiki needs to say on the subject, and the rest should be kicked to the curb.

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I know these guys have been in dnd based novel settings. I believe you will find one in one of the new year of the dragons Forgotten Realms (Faerûnian) novels

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You'll have to read Draconomicon to get the full details, but excerpts from the book do detail their feline-like attributes, which are listed in the article.

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rather than a game-guide (which is something Knowledge strives not to be) is to treat the subject with care, and put everything into a proper perspective.

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And you can't argue that it does apply just because of your opinion. Knowledge works on consensus, rather than out of respect for Gavin Collins' opinion.

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No one misunderstood the point you were trying to make. And I don't know how you come away from this discussion thinking that "we are surely agreed".

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Right. Just out of curiosity how much should a gold dragon weigh? Whatever formula the author used it looks like she used it through out the book.

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What is the scource of the comment at the end of dragon biology about half-dragons being abominations? Horrific Grammar aside it makes no sence.

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In 3.5 they do not have it. Can anyone check in 4 and all historical ones? Adding scent to the mix is common houserule here, but it's just that.

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It's being used to represent the object in question (that is to say, a D&D dragon). This is unquestionably a correct instance of fair use.

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and appears to be copyright of Wizards of the Coast. Since its not even being used to represent his work in any way, shouldn't it be removed?

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is another example of documenting the changes from edition to edition. Ideally, we want to improve this dragon article so it doesn't have an

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For the record, having "mammal-like" limbs, rather than sprawling like most reptiles, is (or was) an important characteristic of dinosaurs.

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I concur. There is a lot more information such as anatomical differences and more indepth descriptions + stats that could be added.

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dragons and their importance to the game. Rest assured though, this article will be clean and concise once I'm through with it. --

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I think that Dragons getting stronger as they get older is based on crocidiles growing until they die should this be mentioned ?

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which editions it has appeared in, and in which publications of that edition. (Alignment might be considered relevant as well.)

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The point I was making before the personal attacks started is that this article has a strong in universe perspective that fails

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If Knowledge ever really does work the way Gavin wants it to, then he can have it. What a dull, dreary place that must be.

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Something like this would be better included in a D&D-focused wiki as it is just too much detail to include here.

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Technically, this would work by replacing the first instance of the term half-dragon with ], resulting in this link:

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outside the scope of Knowledge. These "statistics" are too in-universe to be of encyclopedic value as they fail

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What is that image's source? Better a dubiously "fair use" image with a known source than a complete unknown.

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a Gold dragon has a maximum weight of 1,280,000 pounds? This is not really dubious, it is ludicrous. Cheers,

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grasps that one, then I think we can all work together. I'm not going to hold my breath, in the meantime.

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As it stands, this article is almost unreadable, and also tends to neglect the 4th Edition perspective.--

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And dinosaurs were not reptiles. There are several major differences between a reptile and a dinosaur.

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A 22 foot max height, a max wingspan of 135 feet, and better than 1 and a quarter million pounds?

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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AD&D Dragons are noteworthy and each major color and metal deserves a page of its own. Like

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is "three apples high". You have issues with that then go vandalize those articles for a while.

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Well, gold IS pretty dense. Maybe the dragon is literally made of gold? Lead is heavy too...

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I'm not holding my breath, either. However, I personally think that, given that he thought

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perspective defies community consensus as to what we do not want Knowledge to be or become."

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style which means switching the focus to real world events (ie. the publication history).

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as that will certainly be for the purpose of illustrating the depiction of dragons within

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Please format the following references & remove them from this list when complete.--

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stub, should it be merged into this page? mattpersons 16:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

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OR does not apply to talk pages. Glad to agree with you on some things. Cheers,

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Right, and I happen to agree with you Jack, BUT to say anything else is

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assuming first edition dragons were also different. I'm taking it out.

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true dragons, lesser dragons, dragonkin and unknown dragon status. --

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This article should be deleted until it can be significantly improved

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about types of dragons that haven't yet been introduced to fourth?

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for an idea on how that has already been done on a smaller scale.

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I added the "Books about dragons" section. Please help expand it.

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in the book, just that they were given pseudoscientific names.

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C-Class Dungeons & Dragons articles of High-importance

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Forgotten realms: Dungeons & dragons campaign setting

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It is no different than the articles stating that a

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Non-true dragons? Steel/Mercury versus Purple/Brown?

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