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I'm more than a little concerned by the addition of the company's logo; according to the file page it's available under a Free Art licence, but it would be a very unusual step for a company to un-trademark their own logo, and I can find no evidence that they have ever done so. I suggest we remove the
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I've never done that before. And right now real life beckons. So if you could do that, it would be appreciated. p.s., I'm having trouble with a link in one of the references. Please take a spy-by. Cheers!
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