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what would possibly be a reasonable, additional reason to delete these facts? I want an answer from a factual perspective about the actual text that was undone, not a problem about references and other thing that are no problem fixing. Expecting an answer from Azdaja and
Surtsicna at first hand to reach a consensus (which I'm not very convinced that we will reach based on their behavior, so I'm expecting a third party to take a decision in this matter to finally resolve this issue)
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Kozarska Dubica written exclusively in Cyrillic script. Since all 3 official languages of Bosnia-Herzegovina are equal, and since Serbian language is main language spoken in this town, then name of the Knowledge (XXG) article should use name used in Serbian, and that is Kozarska Dubica.
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Knowledge (XXG) does not support double naming of articles, I propose that name of this article is changed into one single name whether this name is "Kozarska Dubica" or "Bosanska Dubica". It should be chechked which of these two names is more often used and name of the article should be changed into it.
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Now, since I satisfied the two initial complainers (Azdaja and
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also list it on their maps service as "Kozarska Dubica". I have looked at the above discussions, but they're mostly from 2006-2007, and the
Constitutional Court has since affirmed the position that double names can't be used in official sources, which is why newer neutral (and the Federal Statistics
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Municipality name. I went to BiH this year and on the official ID CARDS and other official papers such as birth certificates for kids born now. The government papers state Bosanska Dubica/Kozarska Dubica. For the Town names it is separated Bosanska Dubica or Kozarska Dubica depending
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and some people don't seem to like it? That's honestly what this feels like. We should use the official name. If the citizens want the prefix back, they can petition for it, and the minute it passes, I'll personally request a move to the new name the same way the name of Gornji Vakuf was officially
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Documents in Bosnia-Herzegovina could be published in any of the 3 official languages. You asked that your documents are published in
Bosnian language, thus name Bosanska Dubica/Kozarska Dubica is simply a name used for the town in Bosnian language. If you asked that your documents are published in
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Let's see, I think that it could remain
Bosanska Dubica due to its official historic name. The municipality was changed to Kozarska Dubica after the devastating war. The same occurred with several other municipalities in Bosnia and Herzegovina, such as "Novi Grad", which was eventually changed back
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In accordance with my previous post I propose that name of this article is changed either to
Kozarska Dubica either to Bosanska Dubica because double naming is against practice in Knowledge (XXG). So, I propose fair voting that majority of users can decide which of the two names should be used.
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Now, I looked more about this problem and although documents that User:Kseferovic showed do mention "Bosanska Dubica/Kozarska Dubica" name variant, this does not mean that town (or municipality) officially have double name, but that officially two different names are equaly used for it. Since
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Tell me where all of the nice, smart, and intellectual Serbs went, they all left Dubica because of the war. You really cannot find that many Serbs, who grew up in
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At the present moment it is recognized only as Kozarska Dubica and Knowledge (XXG) should follow that. If name in the future change into something else, then name of the article should be changed too, but the current name of the article should reflect current official name.
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10:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC) - Although, government of Bosnia and Herzegovina officially use both names of the municipality, government of Republika Srpska use name Kozarska Dubica, which can be seen on official web site of the government of Republika Srpska:
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And ignore comments such as the above! It breaks many of our rules of course... but isn't that always the way? Those fondest of telling others what to do are the very ones least likely to follow reasonable instructions themselves. I also note that the
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Since you can read Bosnian there should not be any complications with the understanding of the text. The system was made to accept both Bosanska Dubica and Dubica since people use both. The name Kozarska Dubica is mostly (emphasis on
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Now I understand what you are talking about. You mean the map coordinates are off, which you are completely right. I will try to find the correct coordinates as soon as possible. Thank you,
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There are Serbs on the petition list that want the name changed, also please do not speak in the name of the whole town. This is not a political website, no one wants to argue or dispute.
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I do not think that the name should be changed. There are about 28,000 Serbs in Dubica, not all of them want to keep the name Kozarska Dubica.
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Dubica was under siege of regular Croatian army, from Croatia. HVO never could get there, HVO was in other part of Bosnia, more Hercegovina. --
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Well, the people that live there use these names, the people of RS use these names, and these names are official where it counts - in the RS.--
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The petition list is still active, and is growing day by day. Also there are 1757 people who sign the petition as of midnight April 16, 2006.)
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