763:" How the Dunkery Hill section became National Trust property in 1935 in the time of the 14th Baronet, Sir Francis Acland is unclear, as is the reason why his long dead grandfather is given the credit. Mr Allan Hughes Esq owned a smaller parcel of land. He died before 1934 and the donation was actually made by his widow. She, doubtless, had a name of her own - most people have - but I have found no reference to her other than as Mrs Allan Hughes. Colonel Wiggin, was master of the Somerset Stag Hounds from 1917 until his death in 1936. After a military career he became a director, and then chairman of the family firm Henry Wiggin and Co* in Birmingham. He lived in Birmingham but had a house and some land in Somerset, part of which he gave to the National Trust in 1932."
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One thing that's really bothering me about this article is that it's called
Dunkery Beacon, yet it's almost all about Dunkery Hill. This propagates even to the 1928 sale, which the article says was of Dunkery Beacon when the plaque clearly shows it must have been Dunkery
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I can't quite make sense of what happened between 1928 and 1935. My understanding is that the
Holnicote Estate was owned by the Acland family, so where do Colonel Wiggin and Allan Hughes fit into the 1935 donation to the National Trust? The link to
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Quick drive by comment; I figured out what "OD" meant (being a big OS map fan) but I think this would jar a casual reader. Perhaps it would be better to move the "OD" to a footnote, explaining why it doesn't mean "above sea level" in this instance?
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So it doesn't appear to be true that
Dunkery Hill was handed over to the National Trust at the same time as the entire Holnicote Estate? I don't want to turn this into a full-scale FA review, so I'd be be happy with a simplified version of events.
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Holnicote Estate was handed over to the National Trust in 1935, and only one of the three sources cited says that it was. The WP Holnicote Estate article claims that the entire estate wasn't handed over until
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OK, although most of the sources talk about
Dunkery Beacon when referring to the hill but I would be happy to move it to "Dunkery Hill" which currently redirects to this article. (might need an admin for this).—
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Do we have any idea when
Dunkery Beacon and its surrounding mounds were designated an ancient monument? Was the designation anything to do with Bondfield's question in the House of Commons?
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in the lead as it redirects here and I thought the targets of redirects are supposed to be bold. I will look for answers to the other queries tomorrow as I'm out in a few minutes.—
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I've added a brief explanation. I dislike notes as they also draw the reader away from the text. Any advice on improving the wording to make it clearer welcome.—
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Despite my not being comfortable about how a dead peer could have donated anything in 1935 the plaque does seem plain enough, so I think we can close this now.
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I know what you're trying to say, but that's a rather restricted view of geography, which would include man-made structures in my understanding.
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The bridge is lower & 1.5 miles (2.4 km) from summit - one of the car parks for the walk - added to article - does this explain enough?—
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So it appears that different parcels of land were held by different people and "acquired" (often gifted or by covenant) at different dates.
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I did wikilink the first occurrence to the article explaining it, but would it be helpful to put (mean sea level) or similar after it?—
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As opposed to higher above something else? Is a distinction being made that the height of the beacon isn't also measured from sea level?
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to click on a link to understand what is meant, but rather to explore that specific topic in more detail. If you get my drift.
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It appears I have whaetever powers are needed & the article is now Dunkery Hill.—
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