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is an era name; her surname was Zhou not Zhuang. That is one more reason to combine era names so they aren't mistaken for full names. PS: Empress (insert surname) (husband's era name) is used on the English wiki and Chinese wiki when there is more than one empress under that surname.
847:. I feel we should follow the Chinese wiki's approach at naming since they definitely had a better understanding of these topics and the subjects' most common and accepted name than the majority of all the editors on the English wiki. But Empress Hu isn't a problem now.-- 915: 700:. I'm all for getting rid of the spaces between syllables. (Cheng Xiao Zhao to Chengxiaozhao, etc.) But "Empress Hu (Xuande)" isn't a title used on Chinese Wiki. She is given as Hú Shànxiáng ( 271: 676:– Match up with Chinese Knowledge. Some empress are better known by their surname and for those that are better known by their era name, their characters should be combined.-- 930: 910: 226: 337: 327: 945: 940: 925: 815: 704:). Tacking a husband's name to the end of a title strikes me as a poor form of disambiguation, especially if we know the subject's full name and can use that. 935: 303: 905: 852: 681: 761: 856: 821: 415: 396: 900: 630: 110: 294: 255: 895: 232: 848: 677: 419: 114: 920: 118: 685: 109:, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Knowledge's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to 950: 531: 202: 759:
The title should give the subject's name. The reader can find out whether she was an empress or not from the opening sentence.
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approximately "lady of Xuanzong, Empress Hu, given name Shanxiang." I don't see anyone calling her "Gong Rang Zhang".
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calls her "Empress Hu". But of course she is not the most notable Empress Hu. So I'd suggest either "
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Yes, but then we would have no idea she was empress. How about
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