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I've noticed that other LOTR articles have a section on how various characters are portrayed differently in the films then the books. This article might also benefit from one. One diff, for example, is the fact that, in the book, the ents decide to attack Orthanc at the end of the entmoot, while in
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It means that the Dwarves would be in the habit of felling trees to feed their forges. Yavanna was concerned that because Aulë was only interested in the things he could make, so also the Dwarves would only be interested in the things they could make. She believed that they would only see the trees
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I the "In tolkien's works" section there's this phrase: "They were apparently created by Eru Ilúvatar at the behest of Yavanna after she learned of Aulë's children, the Dwarves, knowing that they would be wont to fell trees." what does this mean? In wiktionary it says wont is "One's habitual way of
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In the paragraph "The Last March of the Ents", there is a reference to MacBeth. "MacBeth" can mean a large number of things and the article does not explain which MacBeth Tolkien talked about. The word is linked, and the link leads to a play of Shakespeare. I am not at all sure this is the MacBeth
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This is explained in the etymology section. I completely missed it myself, and was complaining about it before I noticed it. I am adding a link from "traditional ent" to the etymology section to make it more clear (since at least two users have now apparently suffered from selective blindness in
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Thanks for the link (I'll put the comment up there as well). I can't help feeling that Tolkien must have had many different sources of inspiration for the Ents, though perhaps it would be better to use both of examples of "sentient trees" (and Shakespeare's MacBeth scene as a contributor to the
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has references showing the completed manuscript for the complete work in 1946, and final revisions in 1949, both were before the first third was published in 1950. Consequently, claiming that he had no concept of the Ents seems incorrect. I would have stripped it out, but added a
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Tolkien's Ents are overwhelmingly what people think about when they hear Ent today. According to standard disambiguation procedures, the article on Tolkien's Ents should be what people get when they go to an article of that name. Actually, I'd prefer to see
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Published at such a time that Tolkien may well have read it, this may have contributed to the development of Ents (which I think is lacking from the article), but I don't know if there's a source which supports this theory.
156:: An obvious case of primary disambiguation, indeed. It is, however, important to preserve the history of the article. I suggest to simply revert splitting the original, the sad remains of which are currently located at 612:
section would suffice. The removed material also is not very well written and indulges in OR. If this is truly controversial, and if sources can be provided, the issue might warrant a separate section.
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This article is of poor quality. It states what an ent is and than it says it's very different from a traditional ent?! what is a traditional ent and what kind of ent did I just read a description of? --
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redirects to a page about one specific franchise rather than a proper discussion of the term. At least one user has some ownership issues and won't let it go without a fight or discuss the matter.
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge (XXG) policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge (XXG) policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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Treebeard thinks he is the oldest living thing but according to the text Tom Bombadil predates Treebeard. Technically Gandalf and Saruman also ought to be older than Treebeard.
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Yes, the link to Shakespeare's play is alright, as the quotation implies. And there's no need to explain it here, because it is linked.
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in 1912 was one of, if not the, main inspiration for Tolkien's Ents and the trees they shepherd. Here's the quote in question:
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the article intends to refer too. And if the article actually refers to Shakespeare's play, then please state so.
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I don't actually know why it was moved in the first place. I haven't been able to find any discussion. -
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tag instead. Does anybody have a reference to the contrary? If not, the claim should be removed. --
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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
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the film, Merry and Pippin trick treebeard into finding the destruction before they decide to act.
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in oxford gendaiei eijiten wont is defined as: "old-fashioned, formal: in the habit of doing sth"
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merged back into one article on Ents—none of the articles is big enough to require a split. -
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I wonder, perhaps, if "The Man Whom the Trees Loved" by Algernon Blackwood, published in
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I've always thought that the inspiration with MacBeth and the Tolkien's inspiration see
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as to why its use in Knowledge (XXG) articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the
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doing things". If this is what wont means then the phrase doesn't make sense to me.
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Under "Entyomology": "...See Jotun". Needs a link to a Knowledge (XXG) article.
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In case anyone notices in the future and cares enough to do something about it,
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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However, Tolkien wrote the entire LoTR prior to any of them being published.
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as a source of fuel, not as something to enjoy in their own right. —
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Here are a couple of pictures I took of a guy costumed as an Ent at
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Tolkien Ents are overwhelmingly what people think of when they hear
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Entwives, "the concept of Ents has not yet entered Tolkien's mind"
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section is pretty big, do any of these entries pass
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Talk:Ent
archive
current talk page
Archive 1
60.40.63.114
05:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Jaysweet
20:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Ent (Middle-earth)
Ent (fiction)
Aranel
13:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Ent (fiction)
Aranel
20:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
ent (fiction)
ent
Naive cynic
21:20, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Aranel
01:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Josiah Rowe
00:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
ENT
Otolaryngology
Knowledge Seeker

Jonathunder
move request
Dragons flight

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