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anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.." but in the lede this has become "Consumption of fossil fuel resources lead to global warming and climate change.." and just say that, in this respect, the lede is not a fair summary of the body text, so it needs to be changed.
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Guardian source is clearly wrong, we should not quote an incorrect figure in this or any other article. The Guardian source is thereby discredited, the WP article looks like b*ll*x, and you and Glidermaven wish to keep it looking that way. So be it.
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hence a very good payback period. BUT WE CAN'T SELECT THE BEST INSTANCES AND PUT THEM IN THE ARTICLE. We need to reflect the article fairly, and the article says 19.8 EROI, which is by simple arithmetic, equivalent to about 1 year for a 20-year life.
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