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or where some fuel-carrying oceangoing vessel dumps or spills some of its contents, or where a fuel pipeline leaks or bursts, poisoning people's groundwater. What is the collective effect of these thousands of disasters over time? I asked this on the fossil fuel talk page and was suggested to ask here.
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Some progress then. Right, let us take, for instance, the first entry which has a payback in years of 0.26- roughly 3 months. If you look across horizontally, you will find that it had an EROI of 76.9. If you multiply one by t'other, you will find the answer is 20 years, which is the value in the
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shows lifetimes of mainly 20 years and an average operational eroi of 19.8. Dividing one by the other gives an energy payback time of 1 year, not 3-6 months. The source is clearly more authoritative than the innumerate
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Finally: I am a physicist, so I have a clear involvement in empirical science. We can disagree about the meaning of the 95% figure (which borders a philosophical discussion) but I don't see how that has anything to do with the sourced statement above where this is not even mentioned. Regards.
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1. If 'highly publicised' is not pejorative, then let's stick 'highly publicised' in front of various other statements in this article. The 'highly publicised' scientific consensus..? The 'highly publicised' research study? Let's select a couple of suitable places. If the test for 'highly
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anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.." but in the lede this has become "Consumption of fossil fuel resources lead to global warming and climate change.." and just say that, in this respect, the lede is not a fair summary of the body text, so it needs to be changed.
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figure in the
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hence a very good payback period. BUT WE CAN'T SELECT THE BEST INSTANCES AND PUT THEM IN THE ARTICLE. We need to reflect the article fairly, and the article says 19.8 EROI, which is by simple arithmetic, equivalent to about 1 year for a 20-year life.
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according to the latest report is 95% certain. That's not a fact, sunshine, it's a probability or a widely-held opinion or it is generally accepted. Pick another phrase if you like, but don't represent it as a fact.
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