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I saw that MUBI link too but wasn't sure how reliable it was. The film obviously exists, but I can't help but wonder if MUBI populated its web page for that film from other databases, which may or may not have been corrupted with insertion of his name early on. I think its absence from the book and
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Mexican, so it won't be in that Argentinian dictionary. I do see Google Books results for that film and the director and the year (sometimes 1957, sometimes 1958). I don't really think it's a hoax, I think it's just bad database
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Oh, no, the 1958 Mexican film exists, only this one seems dubious (to me)....The Sp Wp page was created in 2015 about the supposed 1964 film and shifted to the existing 1958 film (that has no page in Sp, as far as I could see) I don't know when. The original
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I had not had any time to get the book to verify the full filmography, but as mentioned above, it would have been named along with the other 1964 film on the page that is visible to us. I think the article has had too many other editors for
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