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It's when you create a bridge between two areas by carving the span from the rock as it was naturally placed, as opposed to creating an arch from concrete/wood/steel/imported stone, etc. "Living rock" is a term of art, but very liberally used to describe rock cut architecture, as opposed to the "dead
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As I accepted the GOCE request left by Sarah, I have been working my way through the article. Some of the phrasing is cumbersome and taking some time to interpret. That being said, I hadn't noticed the number of times that "artwork" had been used. I'll prune the usage where appropriate during my
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I came across this short passage on the page; "One aspect a typical visitor overlooks is the geological background of Ellora. In fact the most defining factor why Ellora was ever made and that too at this location is the geological peculiarity of the place ". There are several problems with this
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Elloda...Ellora...these are both transliterations of the
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In the Hindu monuments section, (Caves 13-29), there is a statement about work starting on cave 19 in the first period of construction but later it states that cave 19 was one of the last to be constructed. Would either of you have access to the sources to clarify this?
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No attempts to give the best exemplars, just the quickest careless ones! Change it to "works of art" or whatever. You are welcome to reword, copyedit and improve the article as and where appropriate. You are right, it should be "reliefs" and not "relief artworks", etc.
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British changed the spelling and prononciations of many places such as Dharwad/Dharwar etc. I guess it is Elloda.
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But (even if these were the best exemplars, which they are not) that is not how the word is used here. Nor is there any painting here (according to your recent edit anyway) so everything is sculpture, or at the least carving, and of course "art".
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Feel free to change a few. I have come across the term artwork(s), when the author is trying to generically refer to or include a spectrum of things... relief, statues, friezes, painting, etc. For example, see the various instances in
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This article currently uses the word "artwork" 18 times. In each case it would be much better, imo, to replace it, generally with "art" or (here) "sculpture", "image/s", "figure/s" etc., or just omit it - "relief artworks" for example are just
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Thanks for that. I've tweaked the text after your addition to the sourcing. That is the last part of the copy editing that needed to be done. Please feel free to ping me or drop a message on my TP if you need anything. Regards.
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