Talk:Everglades National Park

1788: 1081:, if information is cited in the body of the article, it's not necessary to cite it in the lead. The fact about ENP being the first park to protect a fragile ecosystem is well sourced in the body of the article and does not require a citation in the lead. Furthermore, citations that appear in the middle of sentences make more difficult reading. I try whenever possible to shift them to the end of the sentence. Attention to detail in Featured Articles, which this is, is extreme, often bordering on obsessive compulsive. That's the way Featured Articles go. The work that goes into building an article where it can be featured on Knowledge (XXG)'s main page is quite a lot. 1136:, explaining in full detail how the land was so altered by 20th century construction projects. I agree that in comparison what the Calusa did to alter ecology was not as significant, but it's still not accurate to use such absolutes. As for owning articles, Knowledge (XXG) is here for us to collaborate together. But that means equally sharing responsibilities of accessing sources and summarizing them. For the amount of work and detail that goes into Featured Articles, some leeway is given to the few editors who focus on writing these articles. (See 1125:

houses and factories on them totally alters the ecology. The Everglades is a stirring example of how modern humans cannot live in harmony with other life forms. Whether you wish to focus on that or not, I don't think you should be silencing people who want to raise the issue, and the issue is most worthy of an encyclopedia. For instance, a student doing a research paper on human effects on ecology should be able to pin-point the date of 1880 as a turning point in the ecosystem degradation. Anyways, my name is Ben - have a nice day.

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for Highlands Beach mentions quite simply a reverse osmosis process to make Floridan Aquifer water potable, but I'm searching the website for the South Florida Water Management District to get a better explanation of why Highlands Beach does not tap into the Biscayne Aquifer. In short, I need a better source than the too-simple Highland Beach website. I'd like to learn more about this to figure out how to address it in the article. If anyone can find an academic treatment of this, please link. I'll be searching. --

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salt water in the 1980s and 1990s as they were overtaxed to provide water for the growing urban areas in South Florida. I wish I could find a source to say this is why Highland Beach decided to drill into the Floridan Aquifer, but I haven't been able to yet. Nor any reason why these deeper wells were dug. At any rate, I put a footnote at the end of the sentence and changed "All of" to "The majority of". Let me know if you think something else should be done. --

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causing the city to drill wells as an emergency supplement to the water supply from Clear Lake. IIRC, the Town of Palm Beach and the Town of South Palm Beach, at least until recently, got their water from West Palm Beach, as well. Also, Belle Glade and Pahokee draw their water directly out of Lake Okeechobee. Ah, and

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I still think you should think deeper about consistently deleting my human effects reference, as it feels like you are exercising "ownership" to me. Building a few shell middens leaves a trace of being there, but it does not "alter the ecology of the everglades". Draining the everglades and building

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Ok. I'm searching my sources here. Four excellent sources state that all South Florida's drinking water is culled from the Biscayne Aquifer because the Floridan Aquifer from just north of Lake Okeechobee all the way to Florida Bay is non-potable, too mineralized, and too high in salinity. The website

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Any opinions? Unless there's an objection, I'll swap for one of those three soon, & move the cypress dome image down into the article by related text (with some image rearranging necessary, I'm sure). An alligator & a croc appear later in the text, besides 3 birds, a panther & a manatee,

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Same goes for "1st Park to protect an ecosystem".. which is taken from the article below. I'm not adding or deleting facts, I'm just polishing up the writing. The 1st national park to protect an ecosystem is a significant element for the summary, as is the 20% feature, and the date where ecosystem

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Not Palm Beach County, the City of West Palm Beach. The City of West Palm Beach used to get all of its water from intakes in Clear Lake. It seems that low water levels in Lake Okeechobee reduced the amount of water that could flow through canals to the Water Catchment Area and then into Clear Lake,

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recently, these articles (Everglades and Everglades National Park) are badly lacking. The Everglades article doesn't even mention the phenomenon, despite the fact that a few inches of peat takes centuries, meaning even at mid 20th century rates, the beginning of it's demise in the 21st century was

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is a site that says, "The Biscayne Aquifer is a major source of water of Key West, Dade, Broward, and the southeastern part of Palm Beach County," and "The Biscayne Aquifer is the sole source of water for more than half of the population in southeast Florida." I would also note that recharge areas

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According to Lodge (p. 6), the Biscayne Aquifer from Ft. Lauderdale southward appears in many places at the surface. A confined layer of water exists below the surface between Orlando and Ft. Lauderdale, where Palm Beach County has dug wells in the past. These shallow wells began to be filled with

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of two data points, one the daytime high temps of around 90 in summer, with the nighttime high humidity that can exceed 90 with temps in the 70s and dew points above 70. Why not just say the humidity can hit 100% at night, which it often does and there is fog. I don't think this was a purposeful

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I don't think that a photo of a cypress dome is the best choice for the lead image in the article. Cypress domes are neither unique to the Everglades, nor particularly representative of the Everglades. My mind's image of the Everglades is expanses of saw grass interspersed with tree islands. -

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Welcome to Knowledge (XXG), 99.224.253.59. I'm serious about this article. I wrote most of the articles about the Everglades on Knowledge (XXG). That doesn't mean I own them of course. Anyone can make changes to them, and I encourage you to help me keep this article at the highest standards of

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So...what I'm thinking would be most appropriate here would be to insert a footnote explaining that a few locations in Palm Beach County have recently tapped into the Floridan Aquifer, including the town of Highland Beach, but for the most part the water from the Floridan Aquifer is considered

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Who keeps deleting my reference building on the length of time people have lived around the park, noting the point at which human activity began to significantly change the ecosystem through drainage? This is documentable fact. Whether you want to make money draining wetlands, or see them

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The Calusa built vast earthworks and shellworks in parts of the Everglades, as well as outside them, including the massive shellworks at Marco Island. So it's not accurate to say that humans lived in the Everglades "without significantly altering the ecology". The previous wording

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Also - the Park website homepage lists 20% of the "historical" park as preserved. There can't be a more informed source on an article about a park than the park itself. Dig deeper for their source if you want, but who are you to disagree with a National Park on it's own size?

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preserved, you shouldn't be deleting facts from an encyclopedia to support your point of view. There is absolutely no evidence that humans altered the park before the 1800's, there is plenty of evidence that drainage has altered the ecosystem, and the drainage started then.

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Sorry, Donald. I read this a couple days ago and didn't understand what you want changed in the article, if anything. I thought coming back to it would overcome my temporary density, but I'm still not sure what you think the article should say about this.

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Since the late 19th century, the City of West Palm Beach has drawn its water supply from Clear Lake, ultimately flowing from Lake Okeechobee through canals and a large reservoir, the Water Catchment Area. It has recently added some wells to supplement

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discussing Highland Beach's water quality states its wells are drilled 1500 feet down, which would be the Floridan Aquifer. One of these documents, and now I can't find which one, stated Highland Beach switched over to the Floridan Aquifer in

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If you click at the top of the page on a tab named "History", you can see the entire history of the article, including your changes and the ones I made after yours. Clicking on "prev" on the "History" page allows you to see individual

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The infobox picture for this article is really terrible--the compression artifacts are very visible. I didn't see anything much better at Commons, but is there anyone out there with something better? Otherwise I'll put in a request

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At least one municipality (Highland Beach) filters water from the Floridan aquifer. To wit: "The Highland Beach public water supply system relies on the very deep Floridan Aquifer as its source of raw water." from:

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When I wrote the article in 2008, whatever source I used and I can't remember it now, stated that the park protects the last 25% of the original Everglades. I need to ascertain if that has changed since I wrote the

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A possible solution for panoramas is to move the image up out of the infobox, using the frameless & upright options to enlarge w/o taking up too much space. Here's an example w/alt text & a hidden, hover

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I appreciate the reply, wish more people would add their reasons for editing to Knowledge (XXG). History is a nice tip, and I should really create an account, I'm just not very tech savvy, more into writing.

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for Palm Beach County, although simplified not mentioning any aquifer, does say that Palm Beach County gets its water from a source 150 ft down, which would be the Biscayne Aquifer. Highland Beach isn't

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already nearly inevitable, and with recent accelerations, trends, and predictions, the full shebang up to the northernmost parts, is likely in this century, not in 500 years, as this article states.

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has gators and a heron, but doesn't show the horizon. I'm in no position to go take a photo myself. I haven't been in the park in something like 15 years, and have no reason to drive down there. -

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I got a spam filter warning when I tried to save this. I had to play with the links in order to save the page...not all the links may work. Sorry. I don't know why the spam filter was triggered. --

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choice yesterday, but it's a 2:1 panorama which looks rather small confined in an infobox at 284px wide. Might be able to crop it but it's somewhat low res which makes cropping difficult. Found a

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I agree and I've added a tag to encourage an update. Honestly, there are quite a few problems with this article. It should have had a once-over before appearing on the Main Page. --

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Sorry but while the humidity can be over 90% at night or during cooling rains, it is not an likely has never been 90% during the day when it's 90 degrees out. This goes for

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Nothing, now. I was still reacting to when the article said, "All of South Florida's fresh water, which is stored in the Biscayne Aquifer, is recharged in the park." --

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The statement "Water levels may fluctuate dramatically around cypress domes and strands, so cypresses develop "knees" that protrude from the water at high levels to

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outlines water restrictions under the SFWMD, excluding Highland Beach. But it does not explain why and how Highland Beach gets its water from the Floridan Aquifer.

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the rotated/cropped version of the previous lead image (though the slanted original has been in the article for 4 years now; maybe it's time for a change?)

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section. I've marked it as needing a citation and added a welcome note and request on their talk. Hopefully they'll respond and help us out, see

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However, this statement: "All of South Florida's fresh water, which is stored in the Biscayne Aquifer, is recharged in the park." is not true.

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Good point. Can you suggest a better wide-angle image with representative wildlife and flora, either ground-based or aerial, from the current

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Hi, Ben. I changed the sentence about humans living in the Everglades because you're right; it was clunky. I wrote the article for

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for the Biscayne Aquifer include the Water Management Areas, which, while part of the original Everglades, are not in the Park. --

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so an animal in the lead image is not really necessary (only one animal appears in any of the 59 other national park lead images-

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That's me. I wrote the majority of this article and appreciate the copy edits. However, some of your changes aren't accurate.

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as well. While the high humidity is a cliche, 90% humidity at 90 degrees would be a record high almost 87 degree

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Damn, it's hard finding a photo of what I think of as the Glades without people and/or structures in it.

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from 1987 (I know, dated), says on p. 1-36 that Highland Park's water comes from the Biscayne Aquifer.

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I agree with un-referenced summaries, I just added that so you could see it, I'll avoid in future.

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Please change this erroneous statement to "Much of..." or some factually consistent form.

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I have very good shots of the park, but few of them with wildlife, like birds and such. --

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