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aloft, forcing air downward towards the surface, and creating an area of high atmospheric pressure near the ground. However, this only applies to a large scale. In the eye, typically only a few (at most a few dozen) miles across, the sinking air is not nearly enough to fill the low pressure system.
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A common mistake, especially in areas where hurricanes are uncommon, is for residents to wander outside to inspect the damage while the eye passes over, thinking the storm is over. They are then caught completely by surprise by the violent winds in the opposite eyewall. The National Weather Service
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From the caption to the stadium eye pic: "At the time, Wilma was the strongest Atlantic hurricane in history..." Still is, isn't it? If I'm wrong about that, ignore the rest of this comment, but... that wording makes it look like it was, but no longer is. If it still is, then it should simply say
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Thats all for now. This article is in good shape. I appreciate the infographics and images, and jargon is well wikilinked and defined inline. The use of SI units is good. Typically, scientific articles are SI first, and any other unit system second, however, it may not be worth changing at the
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beneath the eyewall. Since the air is still in the center of the eye, there are no real net forces acting on the air there. So suddenly there's a partial vaccuum in a ring around the eye, so the air in the eye will rush outward to the eyewall, making the whole eye/eyewall vicinity the same
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I still find it difficult to understand. If there is updraft in the eyewall, with no downdraft to counteract it, I would assume that there would be the lowest pressure in the eyewall. However, even though it has extremely strong updraft surrounding it, it still has some downdraft slightly
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In meteorology, a cyclone refers to an area of closed, circular fluid motion rotating in the same direction as the Earth. This is usually characterized by inward spiraling winds that rotate counter clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere of the
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The overall article is in good shape, hence it being featured today, no doubt, but I find the intro text a bit troublesome, as it mentions the same thing (the eye being circular and surrounded by the eyewall) two (circular) or three (eyewall) times: "The eye of a storm is usually
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It would be nice if someone could add some information on hurricanes with two eyes. I can remember that another storm besides Wilma experienced the same phenomenom, but I can't remember the name. I've been trying for hours to find information on this, but I've had no luck at
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air, which tend to reinforce the lower pressure. It's all about balancing forces...in the special case of a hurricane, the enormous power of the updrafts offsets the pressure gradient force which would typically cause the pressure to increase near the center of the storm.
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That's what I said; there is an eye in the well-organized storms, and that's where the lowest pressure is found. Keep in mind, though, that being a Category 1 or above does not make it inherently well-organized, and such hurricanes may still have a cloud-filled center.
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IMHO, it is just a small fragment of clouds which strayed over the ragged, oblong eye as the storm weakened. If you look, it's not even really an eye at this point; there's a huge dry slot on the north side. Without an animation, it's pretty hard to make a call.
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More clarification in the 'unknown' section. At the moment, its a little odd, suggesting that we have no idea why eyes form, but that there are 'hundreds of theories'. Are there two or three of these formation theories that have the most support and would be worth
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Consider a new 'top' picture, or a rearrangement of existing pictures. The current top picture just looks like clouds to me (until I read down and learned more about eyewalls). Maybe one of the space images of a storm's eye would be more distinctive as an initial
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Eye features seen on microwave imagery over the past decade have somehow managed to escape academia. Have finally merged in information from the BWER article into this one, since it is unclear whether or not their dynamics are similar to eyes or BWERs.
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makes this hard to see, despite the high resolution. The right-hand side of the composite image could also be used to illustrate the stadium effect as well, although it is perhaps not as clear as the NASA image already included for that.
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Good job on the recent cleanups and improvements, folks. Keep up the good work! Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have a question or dispute, or want more clarification on my reasons for promotion.
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One more thing that I wasn't clear on before. When you say there's high pressure at the top of the eye, that doesn't mean high compared to the surface, it means high pressure compared to the average
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I don't have the ability to create such a diagram, and I'm not sure how to explain this further. Maybe send an email to the NHC, or just do some general research? Hope you find it soon. Cheers, –
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After e-mailing the NHC asking for information on two-eyed stoms, they responded saying they'd never heard of one. I'm guessing it was just a dry spot like Runningonbrains suggested.
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I got it up. I will be working on it periodically (mainly to fix wording and add small sections on polar and extratropical "eyes") but feel free to contribute anything you have.
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Now imagine the opposite situation. The pressure is lower in the eye. Air is attempting to come from the eyewall to the center of the eye to fill it, but it has to overcome the
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IMHO, this is by far a B-class, and I am thinking of nominating it for GA status, after a little cleanup. Therefore, well, someone let me know if you think this needs more work.
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which partially counters the pressure gradient force. So the pressure in the eye can continue to get lower, and can't be completely countered by the surrounding air.
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is a very important concept to understand here. I think a better way to visualize the situation is this: Imagine for a second that the lowest pressure
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Well, the point is that it broke the record then; it is not making any statement about what the record is now. It could get a ", and which still hold
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are also cyclones, and also have eyes. So what do we do? I don't think they should be covered by this article, but maybe it needs to be renamed to
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How is it possible for the lowest pressure to be, first of all, in the calmest part of the storm, second of all, where there is sinking air? --
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Though only tropical cyclones have structures which are officially called "eyes", there are other storms which can exhibit eye-like structures
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to keep winds like this going in such a tight circle, so the wind maximum is a dozen or so miles away from the actual low pressure center.
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Oh, something like "As of 2007, Wilma remains..." would be okay too. The point is not to make it read as though it's been superseded.
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I think it is necessary. I just looked at some on Google Images and there are some pretty spectacular images from inside the eye.
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My request has been declined, because it's the featured article. Well, then I suggest we keep on reverting. That's all we can do.
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I have a vague idea as to what this section is saying, but I need someone with meteorological education to put it into English.
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Good article, guys! I've promoted the article to GA status, but I've got some more specific comments for further improvements:
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counteracting it. It would be nice if someone could draw an SVG diagram to explain it, because I don't understand. --
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A tornado is a cyclone on the storm scale, therefore adding the info with the existing title would still be correct.
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How come there's no picture from inside the eye? Just doing a quick search, there are ones available, such as here
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moment. Both units are listed, so anyone can understand the info. The article is well referenced, which is good.
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Right next to this sinking air, remember, there is a much larger area of thunderstorms associated with quickly
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No, the lowest pressure is at the center of the eye, or center of circulation in the less-organized storms. –
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of Hurricane Wilma for illustrating what a pinhole eye is - see the left-hand side. In my opinion the
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There is no wind at the very center because the wind is caused by the huge pressure difference (see
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I saw them in an infrared image, both had well-defined eyewalls?. This is an absoutely rare event.
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I keep finding eyes in strong tropical storms, like Tropical Storm Beryl. Is this usual or not?
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That's really bizarre. How did it come about? Did it have something to do with alpha? —
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Yes, but whats all that stuff about strain-dominated flow and a rapid-filamentation zone?
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It's been puzzling my mind since i read that section. Any satellite images to refer it?
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at that altitude. At 5500 m above the surface, due to the atmosphere being roughly in
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Here are a few reliable sites that use the word "eye of the tornado" or "tornado eye"
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But this one should be in my opinion, since it attracts a lot of anonymous vandals.
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recent research that should be added (doesn't look like a lot) for eyes in general
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What about the more-organized storms, such as at least a category 1 hurricane? --
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would be fine with me, but as it is now, it looks like only cyclones have eyes.
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Generally, yes. The way a typical high-pressure system works is that there is
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as well, but I don't see the point in the move. Tornadoes are coincident with
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I hope this helps! If you have any other questions, you can reach me on my
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I don't like the idea of moving, but if it were to happen, it should be at
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as it includes tornadoes, and is a weather phenomenon not just cyclone.
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A reference in basic definitions would help, but otherwise, send it to
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The two statements are slightly related. There is sinking air, or
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I thought someone would have at least semi-protected this article.
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Doesn't sinking air mean higher pressure, not lower pressure? --
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Who knew an article on cyclones could inspire so much vandalism?
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strongly discourages leaving shelter while the eye passes over.
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I just restored the page after someone blanked it completely.
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So, that would mean that the lowest pressure is in the eye
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Katrina had a more clearly formed eye than Nate did.
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I'm promoting this article to GA status based on the
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