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The overall article is in good shape, hence it being featured today, no doubt, but I find the intro text a bit troublesome, as it mentions the same thing (the eye being circular and surrounded by the eyewall) two (circular) or three (eyewall) times: "The eye of a storm is usually
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air, which tend to reinforce the lower pressure. It's all about balancing forces...in the special case of a hurricane, the enormous power of the updrafts offsets the pressure gradient force which would typically cause the pressure to increase near the center of the storm.
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IMHO, it is just a small fragment of clouds which strayed over the ragged, oblong eye as the storm weakened. If you look, it's not even really an eye at this point; there's a huge dry slot on the north side. Without an animation, it's pretty hard to make a call.
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Consider a new 'top' picture, or a rearrangement of existing pictures. The current top picture just looks like clouds to me (until I read down and learned more about eyewalls). Maybe one of the space images of a storm's eye would be more distinctive as an initial
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