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I just registered myself, and it clearly states that any information submitted by all users will only be published on the website if the "Emporis community" (confirmed editors that have been on the website for years) verify the information you present. However, I will keep looking for other sources,
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It could be one of those cases when the building labels floors with higher counts than actually exist (Freedom Tower, for example, will have around 82 floors, but floor count will be 108). In those such cases, just sticking with the official count is correct. You're right anyway - Emporis can often
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meaning it must be published by reliable sources. The CTBUH and
Emporis are the most widely accepted sources for building lists, and they currently both list the Four Seasons Hotel Miami at 64 floors. This article and list should reflect that, unless or until those sources change and correct their
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states there are 70, and that the penthouses are floors 67-70. We appear to have a conflict of sources here. I've been in the building's lobby and pool area on the 7th floor, but it was a few years ago and I can't remember if the buttons in the elevator went up to 70. It seems that the official
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The residence website cited as a source appears to be a dead link now. It's unclear who created the site and accuracy can't be assured. Elevator counts can also be misleading, skipping 13 for example. I agree that
Emporis can be wrong, seen it before a few times, but they will usually make
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It certainly does not plagiarize; look at where those websites are - blogs and forums that are pretty obviously taking the information directly from the
Emporis site, not the other way around. Other websites use Emporis as a source; it is frequently
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In the past, all users must have their contributions verified by
Emporis senior editors before any information is posted; if this is still the case, I do not see why the site is unreliable. I opened discussion about the reliability of Emporis at
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to use the official height stated by the developer for the floor count of the building in articles. And anyone can create an account, but only verified editors can submit information to the building entries after it has been approved. --
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with
Emporis to use its building database information. But anyway, for this particular article, I believe the above links are suitable to use (except for the last one, which just appears to be an advertisement). Cheers,
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